badpets Posted July 7, 2009 Share #81 Posted July 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) well, not exactly in that kinda sense. it's it's a sound... hard to explain unless you try it yourself. i think i will be using e-p1 mostly for casual snapshots and recording video using my M lenses. "Fast and snappy" does that mean no shutter lag? I agree, Leica should take this seriously but... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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badpets Posted July 7, 2009 Share #82 Posted July 7, 2009 ken, i think you said it better exactly how i felt about the e-p1. actually, to clarify what i said about Leica should taking it "seriously", i meant more of the features. i just wish m8 was designed to feel as snappy as e-p1 with video recording function b/c leica lenses on e-p1 produce amazing videos! "Snappy" is a very apt metaphor for how the Olympus E-P1 feels in operation. Very apt, indeed. The shutter has a solid, confident click not dissimilar from that of an M8. The whole camera has a very good feel. I don't know just how Leica would take the Micro FourThirds format "seriously" but I very much doubt that we'll see such a camera with a red dot brand. Leica seems to be putting it's entire table stakes into the S2, I fear to its peril. But I'm digressing into another pool of discussion. I expect be able to try some of my M lenses on my E-P1 tomorrow. I'm quite eager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted July 7, 2009 Share #83 Posted July 7, 2009 Ken how do you feel the files stack up against the files from the sensors on the latest consumer grade DSLR? I'm still in the wading process exploring what the camera can do, so any hard answer would be premature. But as I write this I've just spent a day giving the E-P1 some opportunities to fail, or at least respectably swoon. I am honestly shocked at how well it's performed in terms of image quality and tonal preservation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 7, 2009 Share #84 Posted July 7, 2009 actually, to clarify what i said about Leica should taking it "seriously", i meant more of the features. i just wish m8 was designed to feel as snappy as e-p1 with video recording function b/c leica lenses on e-p1 produce amazing videos! Oh brother - here we go again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted July 7, 2009 Share #85 Posted July 7, 2009 e-p1's fault. it's a reminder. Oh brother - here we go again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted July 8, 2009 Share #86 Posted July 8, 2009 ken, i think you said it better exactly how i felt about the e-p1. actually, to clarify what i said about Leica should taking it "seriously", i meant more of the features. i just wish m8 was designed to feel as snappy as e-p1 with video recording function b/c leica lenses on e-p1 produce amazing videos! Great, and be usable as a smartphone and playstation as well.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 8, 2009 Share #87 Posted July 8, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) e-p1's fault. it's a reminder. Badpets - this is the wonderful thing about the consumer-society we live in: an abundance of different tools to buy to meet each of our needs! You bought the EP1 to shoot video with your M-lenses, and you also have the M8 for the more contemplative task of creating great stills with the same Leica glass! As the good doctor said: "all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 8, 2009 Share #88 Posted July 8, 2009 The good doctor should teach Leica how they could sell what their customers want to buy IMHO. Some of them want little APS or half frame cameras with interchangeable lenses. What are Leica or PanaLeica doing for them? Nothing so far. Others want to use their R lenses in full aperture metering with a FF body. And what is Leica doing for them again? Nothing but building an MF body that the vast majority of Leica customers don't even think to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 8, 2009 Share #89 Posted July 8, 2009 The good doctor should teach Leica how they could sell what their customers want to buy IMHO. Some of them want little APS or half frame cameras with interchangeable lenses. What are Leica or PanaLeica doing for them? Nothing so far. Others want to use their R lenses in full aperture metering with a FF body. And what is Leica doing for them again? Nothing but building an MF body that the vast majority of Leica customers don't even think to buy. Well I agree that Leica could think about broadening their product range - but they should do this only if it doesn't impinge on their core market and their core product, imho. I'd love to see a Leica/Panasonic implementation of something like the EP1 - the LeicaCL digital we've been hoping for. It would be a great holiday cam, and as badpets says, a marvellous vehicle for shooting video with Leica lenses (can't help wondering how video with a Noctilux would look - probably mostly out-of-focus, I guess). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 8, 2009 Share #90 Posted July 8, 2009 Video? Maybe ok for fun or the odd You Tube clip but surely if you intend to take video you would be better off with a fully functioning video camera? Better resolution, zoom capability during filming, surround sound........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted July 8, 2009 Share #91 Posted July 8, 2009 ................ a marvellous vehicle for shooting video with Leica lenses (can't help wondering how video with a Noctilux would look - probably mostly out-of-focus, I guess). Hm.. I am not so sure. There is a factor 2x, which would make a Noctilux an unwieldy 100mm. Not to talk about focussing, but the focus-aid would help. Even a 15mm CV would make a not-too-wide 30mm. IMHO close-up wide angle video (people shots!) is the way to go, and that is not available on M3/4 with M lenses. Also the performance of wide-angle M lenses on M3/4 seems to be impaired in the corners, most probably because the sensor does not have the oblique microlenses in its corners like the M8 has. This can cause some smearing, in those corners, with lenses that are close to the sensor. But then in a watered down 1920-1080 resolution this disadvantage could disappear; I do not know. Full 35mm frame video with dedicated wide angles seems a better choice for the moment, albeit unwieldy and heavy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 8, 2009 Share #92 Posted July 8, 2009 Hm.. I am not so sure. There is a factor 2x, which would make a Noctilux an unwieldy 100mm. Not to talk about focussing, but the focus-aid would help. Even a 15mm CV would make a not-too-wide 30mm. IMHO close-up wide angle video (people shots!) is the way to go, and that is not available on M3/4 with M lenses. Also the performance of wide-angle M lenses on M3/4 seems to be impaired in the corners, most probably because the sensor does not have the oblique microlenses in its corners like the M8 has. This can cause some smearing, in those corners, with lenses that are close to the sensor. But then in a watered down 1920-1080 resolution this disadvantage could disappear; I do not know. Full 35mm frame video with dedicated wide angles seems a better choice for the moment, albeit unwieldy and heavy. I think all these issues have been discussed to death, if you don't mind me saying so. No-one's suggesting that these m4/3 cameras are real competition for the M8. Just that they could be an interesting complement. I for one would love to have a version of the EP1 that included some sort of viewfinder to carry around with me at all times. I know some people who do this with their M8s but I'm not one of them, and something smaller and less expensive stuck in my backpack would be great - especially if it also shot HD video. (I have absolutely no wish for any M-system camera to do that, incidentally - for the record and for those people who only read the last post in a thread before knee-jerking a response). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted July 8, 2009 Share #93 Posted July 8, 2009 .....No-one's suggesting that these m4/3 cameras are real competition for the M8. Just that they could be an interesting complement........ And there you have my full agreement. I am not so sure though that it is now clear to everybody that most probably M-lenses < 50 mm do not go well with M3/4: seems to be an unpopular subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 8, 2009 Share #94 Posted July 8, 2009 And there you have my full agreement. I am not so sure though that it is now clear to everybody that most probably M-lenses < 50 mm do not go well with M3/4: seems to be an unpopular subject. HI Sander everywhere I look it's being discussed - mind you, I suspect it's <35mm, but the principle is the same. I think it's disingenuous to suggest that it's an unpopular subject - there's plenty of positive spin on the EP-1, but the fanboy quotient is pretty low . . . at least on the positive side:) Maybe the thread title is contentious . . . the EP-1 is no competition for the m8 . . but it's an interesting and useful camera, and for those with leica glass and no M8 it's another way to use the lenses on digital . . . of course, as earlygallery says, if you want to shoot video you're better with a video camera, but they aren't quite as small, and something pocketable which does both should, at least, be interesting. I like my EP-1, but the M8 stays, and under normal circumstances the Leica lenses will stay on the M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trs Posted July 9, 2009 Share #95 Posted July 9, 2009 Just curious which one would people use if they had both e-p1 and M8 in your bag? I think that would be ideal decision maker. Having said that, if it had at least 60/FPS video with minumum 720 res, I would buy e-p1 without any extra thought. So, no such camera with this form factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEBnewyork Posted July 9, 2009 Share #96 Posted July 9, 2009 Just curious which one would people use if they had both e-p1 and M8 in your bag? I think that would be ideal decision maker. Having said that, if it had at least 60/FPS video with minumum 720 res, I would buy e-p1 without any extra thought. So, no such camera with this form factor. I would have the E-P1 with the Panasonic 7-14mm and 45-20mm lenses and an M adpater. I would have an M8 with 28 cron, 50 pre-asph lux, 75 cron. I would use the M8 in the mid ranges, the E-P1 on the widest and long end and then finally if I was in a tricky situation where LCD based focus could help I would put an M lens on my E-P1. If I wanted a nice portrait I would put the 50 lux on the E-P1 and shoot it pretty wide open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 9, 2009 Share #97 Posted July 9, 2009 You left out low light. The EP-1 trounces the M8 in low light for greater ISO images, especially when you add in lens stabilization to its high ISO performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted July 9, 2009 Author Share #98 Posted July 9, 2009 Since I started this debate I thought it only fair that I go purchase an EP1 which I did today. I haven't had a chance to really play with it but I posted a few shots in the "People" section of the forum. Here's one pf them: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/people/91642-two-friends.html This was taken with a 90mm Elmarit I can already tell that this camera comes closest to matching an M8 file, but then again I am no expert on the finer points of technology. I won't be selling my M8 but I think I'll get good mileage from the PEN. If Leica hasn't produced anything like this it could very well be that it doesn't have the resources to do so. Who knows? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 9, 2009 Share #99 Posted July 9, 2009 Since I started this debate I thought it only fair that I go purchase an EP1 which I did today. Wilfredo - you make such selfless sacrifices for this forum! Seriously though, I looked at the portrait and I particularly like the b&w version! Lovely tonal range and detail (as far as one can tell from a jpeg, that is). Keep us updated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 9, 2009 Share #100 Posted July 9, 2009 You left out low light. The EP-1 trounces the M8 in low light for greater ISO images, especially when you add in lens stabilization to its high ISO performance. This thread reminds me a lot of the G1 thread, where the drawbacks only appeared later. I'm sure that the standard micro 4/3rds characteristics still apply. Having said that, if this nice camera had a zoom viewfinder I would seriously consider it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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