timd. Posted March 9, 2009 Share #21 Posted March 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) sometimes i get the impression that the younger photographers in this forum are more addicted to silver halogenides than the older ones, at least considering the german part. what do you think? (ok, the younger luf-members are not young enough to be part of the digital generation you were talking about ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ASpes Posted March 9, 2009 Share #22 Posted March 9, 2009 Hi guys, Does anyone realize that there is an entire generation out there who have never used silver halide - exposed a film, brought it to processing and eagerly awaited the prints/slides? It is frightening to think how quickly this has happened. I suppose it is much the same as the march of the compact disk in music terms - I often have to laugh when I hear youngsters refer to those big black CD's. Andreas yes, I do realise ... but they will never realise how lucky they are. I use to say we had to learn the "long way", now they can see what they are getting in a matter of seconds. And learn, if they can of course. This is the usual big point, but the new generations outsmart us, sorry, that means me, so I feel confident they can put all this to good use. After all they did grow with it just like their playstations, mobiles and mp3's, while in my time a mac was for rain ... My darkroom magic has just turned into a magic lightroom (lower letter). I still have a full fledged darkroom up but not running, as my last session in it has been over ten years ago (btw anybody interested? for free if you use it). Nowadays I feel on Starship Enterprise and love it. I have fond memories of those times, and pictures to prove it, but they're just personal. Just as the bulk film I used to cut into rolls, the endless darkroom sessions to get a print the way you wanted, and it always just got close, the smell of it on your fingers, and the heavenly wonder the first time I used a Cibachrome to print my trannies ... sweet to remember maybe just like the songs I happened to hear the other day, on internet of course, guess not that many here remember and like "Love is blue", "Winchester Cathedral", "Good Vibrations", "Happy Together" and a few others. Sweet, and all gone. In any case for me the instrument is not important, it's what you're able to do with it. This has not changed a single bit. Thanks for the memory lane visit, Andreas. Now back to work, time to calibrate my monitor again. (:-)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV8 Posted March 9, 2009 Share #23 Posted March 9, 2009 The digital generation has changed lots's of things, for better or for worse it's not going anywhere. Digital photography has giving me the time to shot more. My enlarger and darkroom equipment has been sitting in the my attic for about 8 years maybe someday when I have more time I'll dust it off and fire it up. If not many years from now my grandchildren will look at it and say what my daughter says about my turntable "what's that?" I must admit, there is nothing more pleasing then the smell of developer in the air when walking into a darkroom or how much you appreciate clean air when walking out Manny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLV Posted March 9, 2009 Share #24 Posted March 9, 2009 Andreas - My wet darkroom has been dark and dry for years. Perhaps I'll take it apart. Yes, younger people have not had the film experience and probably never will. Similarly, most younger people have not had the pleasures of analogue audio, though LPs are making a minor comeback (They never went away completely, I'm glad to say, and turntables and phono cartrdiges have continued to improve). More upsetting than that is that too many people think that MP3 is what music really sounds like. I still have some film in my fridge, and about 6 linear meters of LPs on my shelves. Dear Stuart, As a Lp collector and audio analog forever fan (around 4 000 Lp's) I share the same feeling. My children (now 23, 21 and 16 )tought I was a cave man in a new world when they were seeing me cleaning my LP's or setting up the cartridge till they realized that the sound is far better than CD (I don't even mention MP3). I don(t have the same feeling with films and I think that Leica digital photo is an open door to art. I just have to look at the photo forum and try to improve my technic. Best regards from south of France Jean-Luc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4season Posted March 9, 2009 Share #25 Posted March 9, 2009 Vinyl LPs Vacuum tubes / valves Mechanical wristwatches Fountain pens Have all found their niche, although there's an awkward period in which they were too recent to be "retro" or "alternative", but too old to be trendy. I think the Leica M itself was in such a position in the 1970s, when the buzzword was "electronic". Film may still be in it's awkward in-between years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA road racer Posted March 9, 2009 Share #26 Posted March 9, 2009 My grand kids will learn photography on my antique Pentax Spotmatic F! The only thing the battery powers is the light meter. Otherwise, it's all manual. An old clunker that will teach the basics of capturing images~ on film! No matter what media becomes available in the future, it all comes down to how creative one can be. Perfect exposures do not make a photographer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 9, 2009 Share #27 Posted March 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looks like you analogue guys are happy with the work of your photo shop and the acoustics of your listening room. I envy you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted March 9, 2009 Share #28 Posted March 9, 2009 Yes, younger people have not had the film experience and probably never will. I know a whole bunch of young people who are truly sick and tired of everything being done on computers, so they are loving shooting film. I have several on my forum who love Kodachrome. And I have noticed something over the years, the folks who have not only gone digital but put down film never had much in the way of talent to begin with, so it is easy for them to make up for that in using photoshop. So don't worry, plenty of young people are using film, because they can and they will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV8 Posted March 9, 2009 Share #29 Posted March 9, 2009 oh boy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted March 9, 2009 Share #30 Posted March 9, 2009 Well I'm doing my bit. I have to say my 10 year old is fascinated by it all. Over the Easter holidays I am taking him in the darkroom to let him make his first prints. Like Andy, my youngest loves it too. He calls the prints 'magic pictures', which they are. Like Stu, I also have several yards of LPs (about 2000 at the last count). But I still play them. In fact LPs are all that I buy. - both new and second hand. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted March 9, 2009 Share #31 Posted March 9, 2009 Let's not forget that the capture on film is digital by nature and on a sensor-analogue. Film "grain" (emulsion particles) either there is=1, or there isn't=0. The sensor needs an ADC (analogue/digital converter) behind it to make waves into 1s and 0s. So which one is the real Digital Photo Generation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted March 9, 2009 Share #32 Posted March 9, 2009 Charlie, I don't get it... how do you get the LP's into the iPod so you can listen to it.? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted March 9, 2009 Share #33 Posted March 9, 2009 Charlie, I don't get it... how do you get the LP's into the iPod so you can listen to it.? . Simple. You take a picture of the LP so that the grooves are well visible, analyze it with a piece of software and load it up tp your ipod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 9, 2009 Share #34 Posted March 9, 2009 CD's? The younger generation don't buy CD's they just download tracks. That is partly the reason why so many high street 'record' shops have gone bust. I wonder how much longer the album format will last - bands will just release their work as singles. Books are next with the new generation of e books starting to catch on. I bought myself a new turntable at xmas - definately sounds better than listening to the same track on CD, in my hifi at least, but consumers will generally favour convenience over quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted March 9, 2009 Share #35 Posted March 9, 2009 And yet, here you all sit.... staring at millions and millions of 1s and 0s transported over millions and millions of miles of ether through millions and millions of networks... all displayed in millions and millions of colors on your flat screen displays.... and yet, none of it is worthy of replacing your little rolls of film processed on paper that won't resist light or the harsh reality of day-to-day life for much more than a decade or two. And while you might stingily share your memories with one or two of your immediate family, those who accept a digital world sharing infinite numbers of "copies" with family, friends and even strangers alike. Content is king. The image is what it's all about. If that image isn't shared and enjoyed, isn't it much like the tree that falls silently in the forest? I'm not knocking the history of film and emulsions and how we got to "here." But isn't it about sharing a moment that our minds eye captures and translates into a "photo?" And, do you really think THIS is the pinnacle of where photography will end up? Isn't it rather arrogant to assume OUR determination of which one is "better" is the final word? Pictures, regardless of how they are created and recreated, are intended to be looked at. This brings to the forefront not the technology of imaging, which of course is important, but rather what we might call the eyenology (seeing). - Henri Cartier-Bresson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 9, 2009 Share #36 Posted March 9, 2009 Charlie, I don't get it... how do you get the LP's into the iPod so you can listen to it.? . Actually, that question is very pertinent here. One inevitible result of the digital conversion is going to be tens of millions of images lost forever. As the technology changes, how many people will migrate their image libraries? Certainly, professional photographers will because their income will depend on it. But will casual photographers? At least with film, there are still the old negatives and slides laying around to work from, and I'm pretty certain there will always be the chemistry and hardware necessary for making prints from them. But what would someone today do with floppy disks full of images? They are as good as gone. Most CDs begin to degrade within about 5 years (the exception being the very expensive gold layered disks). So unless people who have stored their images on CDs begin to migrate them to external hard drives or online storage, they may be lost very soon. I hope that when enough people realize the historical value of making images on silver halide, film will enjoy something of a resurgance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted March 10, 2009 Share #37 Posted March 10, 2009 and yet, none of it is worthy of replacing your little rolls of film processed on paper that won't resist light or the harsh reality of day-to-day life for much more than a decade or two. And while you might stingily share your memories with one or two of your immediate family, those who accept a digital world sharing infinite numbers of "copies" with family, friends and even strangers alike. You sure assume a lot... Not all of us are happy-snappers who just want share our images or inner most feelings with family. Some of us are professionals who are passionate about what we use and want far more out of life than a computer. And some of us use both film and digital but still prefer film. In my experience and opinion, the internet and digital age has messed things and people up pretty badly, we were much better off without it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 10, 2009 Share #38 Posted March 10, 2009 Just today I heard a university professor who teaches maths to first year students smashed a calculating machine with a hammer in an official speech The use of those things destroys all understanding of mathematics. The use of an allauto digicam destroys all understanding of photography imo. Let's take hammers to them!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted March 10, 2009 Share #39 Posted March 10, 2009 In my experience and opinion, the internet and digital age has messed things and people up pretty badly, we were much better off without it. If that is so why not start by removing the link to your site or the whole site completely..................................after all removing one site is a start:D But you won't as you need the www. world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted March 10, 2009 Share #40 Posted March 10, 2009 You sure assume a lot... Not all of us are happy-snappers who just want share our images or inner most feelings with family. Some of us are professionals who are passionate about what we use and want far more out of life than a computer. And some of us use both film and digital but still prefer film. In my experience and opinion, the internet and digital age has messed things and people up pretty badly, we were much better off without it. It seems you assume a lot. Having sold image rights for upwards of $10,000 per image, I'm fairly certain I qualify as a "professional" equally as passionate in what I do and that I get my fair share of "life".... by my definition... not yours. My "passion" as you put it, allows me to work less than half a year and find a comfy spot by my pool for the other half. I have no issues with your using film. I do however find humor in your defense of it and the rationale that you are somehow more "in touch" with things and somehow more knowledgeable because YOU still prefer film. Rather elitist and arrogant, really. I wonder how far the word of your project would spread WITHOUT the Internet? JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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