thrid Posted September 10, 2008 Share #141 Posted September 10, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Don't want much do you? Blimey - they are a very small company. I bet they get as many headlines come next week as some of the big boys. Give them a break. What about the entry level digital CL? ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Hi thrid, Take a look here Noctilux f/0.95 ASPH promotion posters. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted September 10, 2008 Share #142 Posted September 10, 2008 Maybe, but when you use the Noctilux you are using the 50 framelines. If you are using the whole viewfinder to approximate for the 21, the new 21/f1.4 viewfinder blockage is likely to be more annoying. Well, let's try this then:I guess about the same size as the CV Nokton 1.2/35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 10, 2008 Share #143 Posted September 10, 2008 What about the entry level digital CL?;-) What if they were to release the M8.2 at current prices, and continue with the M8.0 at a discount? Would that be an OK solution? Or, would you want the dCL to be better than today's M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted September 10, 2008 Share #144 Posted September 10, 2008 What if they were to release the M8.2 at current prices, and continue with the M8.0 at a discount? Would that be an OK solution? Or, would you want the dCL to be better than today's M8? I just want a substantially cheaper, but still viable alternative to the M8 series, so more people buy Leicas and in turn Leica sells more lenses and stays in business. If I'm going to go the digital RF route, I'm going to need two bodies and with the cost of the M8.x, that's not going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 10, 2008 Share #145 Posted September 10, 2008 Buy two M8.0s or two used M8s and a load of new lenses, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 11, 2008 Share #146 Posted September 11, 2008 If the big three lenses are true, they certainly confirm Leica's pre-eminence in lens design. I just wish these skills extended to camera design, electronics and software and that we had a camera with the same credentials. Maybe the M8.2 will take us in the right direction, we'll see, but I think it's time for the M8.0 to be pensioned off. The beta testing, or the first phase of it, is over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 11, 2008 Share #147 Posted September 11, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) The beta testing, or the first phase of it, is over. And we've loved every minute of discovery! Thanks to the people on this forum, we've got incredible respect for the design concepts, pitfalls and accomplishments that made the M8 possible. I bet we know more about our camera's design and function than users of any other brand. You had a lot to do with that Mark, as did Tim Ashley and Michael Hußmann and a lot more, all in different ways. And after photokina we can order our upgrades and a slew of new lenses to keep us happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted September 11, 2008 Share #148 Posted September 11, 2008 And after photokina we can order our upgrades and a slew of new lenses to keep us happy. We'll have the best kits in the poorhouse! Seriously, though, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the concept of a 21 'Lux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted September 11, 2008 Share #149 Posted September 11, 2008 What about the entry level digital CL?;-) my post was relating to what Leica are doing to attract new customers. What we see so far , and this may not be all of it, is not addresing this IMO. Yes I would like , as many others, a smaller body CL like, even with limited lenses at sub Euro 2k. That would atract new customers...the new wides and Noctilux, I don't think so. Additionally I don't think its unreasonable to expect a new camera at Photokina do you? andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted September 11, 2008 Share #150 Posted September 11, 2008 Don't want much do you? Blimey - they are a very small company. I bet they get as many headlines come next week as some of the big boys. Give them a break. sorry third... this was what I wanted to quote. andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 11, 2008 Share #151 Posted September 11, 2008 What if they were to release the M8.2 at current prices, and continue with the M8.0 at a discount? Would that be an OK solution? Or, would you want the dCL to be better than today's M8? Imagine Panasonic should announce a compact M mount, small RF base, same sensor as M8... range 2000-2500 US$ ... maybe could have sense as the "dCL" ? Apart sensor size, not too far from Epson RD... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 11, 2008 Share #152 Posted September 11, 2008 Imagine Panasonic should announce a compact M mount, small RF base, same sensor as M8... Same sensor i would bet not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 11, 2008 Share #153 Posted September 11, 2008 My prediction. 8.2 at say 5% more expensive than the current M8. M8 to be made available at say 10-15% less than the current M8 price to keep sales of existing stock moving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 11, 2008 Share #154 Posted September 11, 2008 "Existing stock" in Solms is likely being converted as quickly as possible to M8.2 status - Heck, they've probably been building nothing BUT M8.2s for the past three months. It's a pretty simple swap of about 5-6 modular parts (LCD glass, shutter module, shutter dial, frameline masks, on/off switch for detents) plus new firmware to remind the camera that 1/8000 no longer exists, implement the (S)tupid mode, and handle SDHC cards. Dealers' existing stock probably amounts to less than 1000 cameras. I imagine Leica will offer them options: return NIB unopened M8.0s in exchange for 8.2s (which Leica will then upgrade to "new" M8.2s and resell), or a moderate rebate to help them sell the M8.0s, or a cheapo (even free) upgrade voucher to give away with any M8.0 sale post-Photokina. In short - the M8 "classic" ends as fast as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted September 11, 2008 Share #155 Posted September 11, 2008 " In short - the M8 "classic" ends as fast as possible. agree..no value in keeping both andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_nyus Posted September 11, 2008 Share #156 Posted September 11, 2008 Is f0.95 the next open stop in the logarithmic f-stop scale? Is there any appreciable difference between 1.0 and 0.95? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 11, 2008 Share #157 Posted September 11, 2008 Is f0.95 the next open stop in the logarithmic f-stop scale? Is there any appreciable difference between 1.0 and 0.95? 1. No, it would be f/0.7 or thereabouts (it's not a logarithmic scale, it's a square-root-of-2 scale ( approximately -- f/1 x 1.414...= f/1.4 x 1.414.. = f/2 x 1.414...= f/2.8 x 1.414...=f/4......etc.)) 2. Bragging rights! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 11, 2008 Share #158 Posted September 11, 2008 Ken-- Andy beat me to it: Next full stop wider than f/1.0 would be f/0.70 (1/2 of f/1.4). One-third stop wider than f/1.0 would be f/0.88. One-third stop is generally accepted as the smallest perceptible exposure difference. Thus, as you suspected, f/0.95 isn't enough different from f/1.0 to make any exposure difference The importance here is simply a later design with aspheric surfaces and probably overall contrastier performance, likely with reduced vignetting. I have no doubt that the lens will be a noticeable improvement over the f/1.0, even though its speed increase is virtually nil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted September 11, 2008 Share #159 Posted September 11, 2008 There's another view - in the UK, the M8 is currently available at 27% below its retail price. Maintain that price for the M8 and keep the M8.2 at full retail plus and watch demand. Now the future for the M8 is mapped for a few years and the new lenses provide a more practical system, confidence will grow and in turn sales volumes. 27% discount is valuable and fine for a second/backup camera. Both take the same picture and if you don't shoot weddings maybe the M8 is all you need. As an ex-manufacturing man I cannot see Leica adding value to existing stock for disposal whilst there's still a market there, even a growing one. It'll cost a substantial percentage of their cost to strip, re-build re-box and supervise. In material, labour and factory overhead the M8 may only cost £1,000 so until the choice is scrap or re-work it'll be in the renown slow moving product range. As previous today, this strategy will provide a 3 tier market with lower cost of entry, long term stability and protect existing owners second-hand values: M8.2 M8 Used Drop the M8 today and existing users can't easily trade up as the M8 will become undesirable. Leica will look after its customers, not with handouts and free upgrades, but by maintaining their asset value (within a digital world). Those of us who bought in the last few months should have enjoyed lower prices, directly, or through the part exchange scheme. So no complaints from them, methinks. All IMO. Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devtank Posted September 11, 2008 Share #160 Posted September 11, 2008 up, from the new price and the increased value of it's legacy status/fingerprint. Knee-Jerk reaction suggests down, Ive seen a few adverts for $4500-$5k which is down by $1500+ on what Id seen in the previous year... Hopefully they come down even lower...but I somehow doubt that. If the current Noctilux on the used market were still $2500-3000 the price of the new one would be nowhere near the price that it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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