NEXT! M-EV1 with a L-mount

[LocalHero1953]

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Leica has made a small investment (by its own account) in replacing the opto-mechanical rangefinder with an EVF. What could be simpler than taking the next step, with another small investment, to replace the mount with a L-mount? For the shorter L-mount registration distance, they would bring the sensor forward in the body, thereby making space for IBIS as well. The higher power demand would be mitigated by a higher capacity battery (as they did for Q and SL by switching from BP-SCL4 to BP-SCL6).

They have conveniently drawn the ire of the RF adherents by the launch of the M-EV1, so the only people who could be upset are those who bought the latter, but would really really like AF - and IBIS.

What not to like?

(Yes, maybe this should be in the L-mount forum - or half way between - but this is where the M evolution excitement is)

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[beewee]

I like the concept and it makes sense if we have more compact and light weight L-mount lenses. I wouldn’t want to attach a 24-90 SL to a body with the weight and form factor of the M EV1.

I could see this concept as a good back up body to complement an SL3 and for use with M lenses as well as smaller L primes but the only small L primes were have are the Sigma i-series. They’re not bad lenses by any stretch of the imagination but why would Leica make a new body for Sigma lenses?

I think from Sigma’s perspective, they definitely see this gap in the L-mount and they have proven with with BF that there’s appetite in the market for a premium small form factor L-mount body. Given the market response, I think Sigma will likely iterate in the BF, probably bringing a 60 MP version to market and possibly try to build a BF2.

Edited Sunday at 04:00 PM by beewee

[lct]

A Leica version of my Sigma FPL would interest me if it has a built-in EVF. I would not be an M camera though. Why not a Sigma-Leica? We got Pana-Leica cameras for many years after all.

Edited Sunday at 04:14 PM by lct

[rxj]

They're not going to go down this road I'd be willing to put a lot of money on it.

There's a reason they didn't continue with the CL and TL range.

They've put a lot of investment in the M EV1 and there'll be iterations of it.

M EV1 will form part of the M family.

SL and -S will be the L family.

Q fixed lens.

[Photoworks]

Yeah, and that without a shutter or hotshoe.

And don't forget to make it small and in different colors.

Looks like the grass is always greener elsewhere.
Or you can get the Lumix S9.

[evikne]

I think there are limits to how many different lines a small company can have running at the same time.

And although I'm no expert, I think it would be more difficult than it seems to cram extra technology into a 70-year-old camera body. It would definitely be easier to start with the technical aspects and build a new body around it (something like a smaller SL).

[keeping_a_balance]

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Give us a mix of S9 (IBIS), BF (design) with hot shoe and Leica EVF… would be very happy.

Edited Sunday at 04:58 PM by keeping_a_balance

[CptSlevin]

2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Leica has made a small investment (by its own account) in replacing the opto-mechanical rangefinder with an EVF. What could be simpler than taking the next step, with another small investment, to replace the mount with a L-mount? For the shorter L-mount registration distance, they would bring the sensor forward in the body, thereby making space for IBIS as well. The higher power demand would be mitigated by a higher capacity battery (as they did for Q and SL by switching from BP-SCL4 to BP-SCL6).

They have conveniently drawn the ire of the RF adherents by the launch of the M-EV1, so the only people who could be upset are those who bought the latter, but would really really like AF - and IBIS.

What not to like?

(Yes, maybe this should be in the L-mount forum - or half way between - but this is where the M evolution excitement is)

You suggesting that they destroy what they have of their small sales of SL line?
Come on, they flopped an easy win of Leica SL3S and now you suggest what?

There will be no M with L, they will continue to milk their product lines

[LocalHero1953]

1 minute ago, CptSlevin said:

You suggesting that they destroy what they have of their small sales of SL line?
Come on, they flopped an easy win of Leica SL3S and now you suggest what?

There will be no M with L, they will continue to milk their product lines

Your 20-20 marketing foresight is invaluable.

But perhaps just lighten up a bit?

[LocalHero1953]

I suspect we're more likely to see Sigma or Panasonic add an integrated EVF to their fpL, BF or S9.

[CptSlevin]

2 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Your 20-20 marketing foresight is invaluable.

But perhaps just lighten up a bit?

You are just living in a world of fantasy.
It's not MY marketing foresight

https://petapixel.com/2024/03/22/leica-selling-l-mount-cameras-is-tougher-than-selling-a-q-or-an-m/

SL3/SL3S shows less sales than their any other product line, why they would kill it off even more by introducing M with L mount?
Just enlighten me

[LocalHero1953]

1 minute ago, CptSlevin said:

You are just living in a world of fantasy.

Correct - good spot. That's what this thread is about.

[raizans]

An L-mount camera with a rangefinder-style EVF made by either Sigma, Panasonic, or Leica would be great.

I predict this will be the next hot topic now that the EV1 is out. 🔮

[LocalHero1953]

5 minutes ago, raizans said:

An L-mount camera with a rangefinder-style EVF made by either Sigma, Panasonic, or Leica would be great.

I predict this will be the next hot topic now that the EV1 is out. 🔮

Leica has a choice: let Sigma and Panasonic cannibalise their SL or M series or do it themselves (to adapt a quote of Steve Jobs).

Edited Sunday at 05:24 PM by LocalHero1953

[Smogg]

5 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Leica has a choice: let Sigma and Panasonic cannibalise their SL or M series or do it themselves (to adapt a quote of Steve Jobs).

There's also a DJI camera rumored to be on the way.

[Erwin74]

Oh yes! A Leica Q with an L mount! A challenger to the Sony A7CR and A7CII.
A 60 MP version (QL) and a 24 MP version (QL-S).
However, I still don't know if the M mount wide-angle lenses (24mm, 21mm, WATE) perform as good on an SL3 as they do on an M11 / M1-EV?

Edited Sunday at 05:40 PM by Erwin74

[jaapv]

No not a Q with an L mount. A Q cannot have any mount by definition. It is not designed that way.The CL  IS the lens-shutter-aperture-sensor unit with a few body parts attached. Take out the lens and you have no camera left.  
But an LEV1 with an L mount (and M adapter included) would be fantastic. I would fill the gap in Leica's range of cameras left by the untimely demise of the CL

[jaapv]

19 hours ago, CptSlevin said:

You suggesting that they destroy what they have of their small sales of SL line?
Come on, they flopped an easy win of Leica SL3S and now you suggest what?

There will be no M with L, they will continue to milk their product lines

Do you really think that Leica cares from which product line they sell a camera? A long as they sell a camera.

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[Pelu2010]

19 minutes ago, jaapv said:

No not a Q with an L mount. A Q cannot have any mount by definition. It is not designed that way.The CL  IS the lens-shutter-aperture-sensor unit with a few body parts attached. Take out the lens and you have no camera left.  
But an LEV1 with an L mount (and M adapter included) would be fantastic. I would fill the gap in Leica's range of cameras left by the untimely demise of the CL

A new CL would awesome. My girlfriend uses one and she loves it, because it's small. IF the battery life would be longer or if we could get it with USB-C and with proper integration of all L-lenses , I would also use this camera. A smaller L-camera with ibis would be sensational. And pls don't forget the timecode. 

cheers Peter 

[jdlaing]

Uhhh……..if it’s an L mount it won’t be an M by any stretch of the imagination.