Pixeleater Posted yesterday at 05:12 PM Share #121 Posted yesterday at 05:12 PM Advertisement (gone after registration) Folks in the USA will have to wait. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/424917-leica-m-ev1-the-first-m-with-evf-instead-of-rangefinder/?do=findComment&comment=5880587'>More sharing options...
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DadDadDaddyo Posted yesterday at 05:16 PM Share #122 Posted yesterday at 05:16 PM 2 minutes ago, Pixeleater said: Folks in the USA will have to wait. And there it is: a bit rump.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujk Posted yesterday at 05:16 PM Share #123 Posted yesterday at 05:16 PM 44 minutes ago, thrid said: I'm curious what the refresh rate is of the EVF... 120Hz? 60fps 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted yesterday at 05:16 PM Share #124 Posted yesterday at 05:16 PM Maybe we should see M-EV1 as a smaller, lighter, and simpler (no video!) SL camera if you use M lenses with your SL. The shooting experience will be very different from that of a rangefinder. It is almost a camera between an M and an SL, but neither. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM Share #125 Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM 7950€ is a bit cheap for an M11, is that because the sensor or the way it is being read, is still magenta contaminated? I mean, in all these years since 1956~ it can't be that the rangefinder itself makes it still almost 2000€ more expensive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM Share #126 Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM (edited) 25 minutes ago, earleygallery said: I’m surprised at the criticism here, all I’ve read for many years on the forum has been wishes for an EVF M mount camera. The M is a legend so Leica have to expect a level of push back in these moments. I think it has a lot to do with the pricing and the not very ambitious effort to make something that interesting. They gave us the bare minimum but are charging the maximum and it does not have that much of the M experience to it. Any mirrorless camera will give you similar function for many thousands of pounds less so we pay for form and legacy even more so than with the regular line. Edited yesterday at 05:24 PM by costa43 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobios Posted yesterday at 05:26 PM Share #127 Posted yesterday at 05:26 PM Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 minutes ago, DadDadDaddyo said: And there it is: a bit rump.... Tim Lei has one for sale right now and will ship to the US. In case you just can't wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted yesterday at 05:30 PM Share #128 Posted yesterday at 05:30 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Kickstand said: Despite what Leica have said today about the rangefinder remaining a "core part of the company", my biggest worry is that this could quickly change and a product like this could become the default for the M system with the odd limited "special edition" run of traditional rangefinder models thrown, in that might still not be offered in silver or black paint. Remember, no other company on earth makes modern rangefinder cameras so if Leica decides to cut their losses and phase it out entirely or offer them only to luxury collectors, we are screwed. I really hope this is not the case and that the M EVF can remain the alternative rather than the norm. Pixii makes a modern rangefinder. It also has a really neat augmented reality style overlay of information in the OVF. I suspect the M12 will use similar tech. https://pixii.fr/rangefinder Edited yesterday at 05:30 PM by Crem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted yesterday at 05:39 PM Share #129 Posted yesterday at 05:39 PM I'm just happy I don't want it. I see all the benefits, but I am very happy with the M11 line and really like the versatility of the SL system with M lenses "still allowing for L lenses" IBIS, tilt screen etc. Not that much bigger form factor. Now I can keep the money for the Q3 M. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptSlevin Posted yesterday at 05:39 PM Share #130 Posted yesterday at 05:39 PM haha, Classic Leica, no innovations, more degradation and they dare to slap 9k price tag on it. EVF centric camera with no AF and no manual focusing USP like Nikon ZF for example. btw 60fps is bad, battery is really bad No IBIS, no nothing new. Underdelivery at best, disrespect of loyal M base at worst 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted yesterday at 05:40 PM Share #131 Posted yesterday at 05:40 PM Maybe Leica is not really about rangefinders. It's friends we make along the way... making fun of EVF together. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxj Posted yesterday at 05:41 PM Share #132 Posted yesterday at 05:41 PM @LUF Admin genuine question - at the launch Leica Marketed this as a new line in the M series, so why wouldn't it get it's own sub topic vs being under the M11? Should under the Leica M System especially since its available immediately so people will start sharing under there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpw Posted yesterday at 05:45 PM Share #133 Posted yesterday at 05:45 PM Why not just make a 'Q with interchangeable lens or upgrade the the very nice lite weight CL to FF. It seems like an over priced camera and takes away the purity of the 'M system. I guess Leica has done their research and believes they will have buyers for the EV1 ?! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bherman01545 Posted yesterday at 05:49 PM Share #134 Posted yesterday at 05:49 PM I think that an M11 with an EVF will be popular for those who have trouble focusing with a rangefinder. What I think won't be too popular is the price. The Leica M rangefinder mechanism is a delicate optical system that requires skilled labor. It is a contributing factor to the Leica M's high cost, while an EVF is an OLED module. That said, if the majority of the cost (parts and labor) of the rangefinder mechanism is eliminated, I think that the new Leica M11 EVF should be at a much lower price point, but Leica is charging a premium because it is "new" and will undoubtedly be in demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxj Posted yesterday at 05:51 PM Share #135 Posted yesterday at 05:51 PM 3 minutes ago, mpw said: Why not just make a 'Q with interchangeable lens or upgrade the the very nice lite weight CL to FF. It seems like an over priced camera and takes away the purity of the 'M system. I guess Leica has done their research and believes they will have buyers for the EV1 ?! People complained when the Q series came out. People complained the the M11 came out without a base plate and an "exposed" USB-C charger port. Leica probably knows more than all of us here what will sell and what won't or they wouldn't have released it. They're a business to sell products and a lifestyle company that makes cameras, watches, projectors, cine, binoculars etc. Doubt they care about "purity". Besides the M EV1 is an additional line to the M system not to replace the M11. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted yesterday at 05:52 PM Share #136 Posted yesterday at 05:52 PM Sales seem a bit slow off the blocks - maybe the momentum will pick up with time. A quick web browse to four of the UK's main Leica dealers ( Leica UK, Red Dot, Ffordes, Manchester ) all still show stock, some six hours after release. I don't want this to the like the CL and be killed after the first attempt; rather it be a spark for future innovation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted yesterday at 06:00 PM Share #137 Posted yesterday at 06:00 PM 1 hour ago, FlashAndPoof said: How does the usability compare to just using a Visoflex? IMHO, if shooting a wide open lens then the Ev1 could be better than an M11+Viso2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwidad Posted yesterday at 06:11 PM Share #138 Posted yesterday at 06:11 PM My only question I have not seen mentioned is viewfinder lag. With the m11 and visoflex there is a significant lag between the world and what the viso shows. Does this new camera suffer from any evf lag? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve edmunds Posted yesterday at 06:11 PM Share #139 Posted yesterday at 06:11 PM as far as i know we have no access to sales figures for various models, maybe M sales are poor and this is an attempt to rejuvenate a failing line? Maybe the rangefinder line will double in price and have a tiny niche number of models available? it would be fascinating to see sales performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted yesterday at 06:19 PM Share #140 Posted yesterday at 06:19 PM 8 minutes ago, kiwidad said: My only question I have not seen mentioned is viewfinder lag. With the m11 and visoflex there is a significant lag between the world and what the viso shows. Does this new camera suffer from any evf lag? Judging by Reid's review, no miracle happened; the lag is quite large. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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