M11 shows discontinued today

[T25UFO]

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1 hour ago, pedaes said:

And the M11 is back as the '100 Years' edition. Six countries x 100 units each.

https://leica-camera.com/en-GB/photography/100-years-products?utm_source=CRM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20250410_HQ_UK_CNL2_ALL_100#m11

These were originally announced back in January, along with Steif teddy bears, Faber Castel pens and pencils and a few trinkets.  Steif and Faber Castel sold out almost immediately but not much heard of the cameras until today’s email from Leica.

Not a great way to kick off the 100 year party.  I am reliably informed that better things are coming.  Where is Steven when we need him 😳

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8 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

...  Steif and Faber Castel sold out almost immediately ....

Well, the pencil is available to buy online in the UK right now, so I'm not sure how it sold out previously. Unless it's an unlimited, limited edition?

Looks like the same pencil is for sale online at Amazon for £14.90, but it doesn't say "Leica". It's a crazy world.

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11 minutes ago, Corius said:

Well, the pencil is available to buy online in the UK right now, so I'm not sure how it sold out previously. Unless it's an unlimited, limited edition?

Looks like the same pencil is for sale online at Amazon for £14.90, but it doesn't say "Leica". It's a crazy world.

I stand corrected 👍 the bears definitely sold out quickly and when I last looked a couple of months ago both pen and pencil were unavailable online.

Steiff toys are nice, my children had them and now the grandchildren love them.  But the Leica editions are stupidly priced.

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Looks like the same pencil is for sale online at Amazon for £14.90, but it doesn't say "Leica". It's a crazy world.

Oh, forgot to mention it’s not the same.  The Leica product is a Graf von Faber Castell.  The equivalent (without Leica on the box) is priced at £441, again on Amazon.

Still silly money for a pencil.

Edited April 10 by T25UFO

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9 hours ago, T25UFO said:

Looks like the same pencil is for sale online at Amazon for £14.90, but it doesn't say "Leica". It's a crazy world.

Oh, forgot to mention it’s not the same.  The Leica product is a Graf von Faber Castell.  The equivalent (without Leica on the box) is priced at £441, again on Amazon.

Still silly money for a pencil.

Looks like the same pen for "only" 310 euros. Quite the bargain 😃

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3 hours ago, willemr said:

Looks like the same pen for "only" 310 euros. Quite the bargain 😃

Yes, but it's sold out.  Easy to offer a low bargain price when you don't have any product to sell 😂

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Amazing. 

That's the very same economic mechanism that will soon make lightly used, boring, original M11s a bargain on the used marketplace, starting as soon as the folks who buy such pens have a new Leica camera to absorb their attention.

The "flawed M11", now functioning beautifully, will be the very same camera it was the day before the discontinuation,  the camera that rational folks recognize for its innovation, its amazing images and, yes, its quality.

If all this is tied to the 100th anniversary, and there's no reason to doubt it, then Leica has been planning this move for a long time. Indeed, I imagine those plans produced added incentive to get the M11 firmware both right and released before any upcoming unveiling. 

If there's something amazing coming, of course I'll take a good long look, and maybe even roll the new thing into my own planning.

But for now I'm very glad, using my M11 and M11M, day in and day out, for all the factors that have contributed to making them the cameras that they are. 

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Good if the 64GB M11 can sell at reasonable price on the 2nd hand market. I could be interested if i had not one already.

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4 minutes ago, lct said:

Good if the 64GB M11 can sell at reasonable price on the 2nd hand market. I could be interested if i had not one already.

I picked up an "as-new" M11, fully boxed etc, from MPB in the UK for £5000 a couple of months ago and It's been faultless. There were quite a few for sale at the time, but none now. I'd imagine more will become available soon at an even better price.

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On 4/4/2025 at 6:35 PM, lct said:

Leica don't make bodies with 64GB SSD any more i guess. M11-P, M11-D and M11M have a 256GB SSD.

So that you could lose more photos at once unless you ingest often and early.

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On 4/9/2025 at 11:02 PM, PeterKelly said:

I don’t believe that there is any difference in the size or speed of the buffer between the M11 models as they use the same processor and can shoot to internal of fast SD storage.

Also 64gb internal memory is not “very small” in my thinking. I believe it’s good for 700 plus full size DNG’s which is more than a day’s shoot for many/most people.

"Small" meaning, they have a bigger one and a smaller one, when the cost of memory is microscopic these days.

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On 4/10/2025 at 12:50 PM, Al Brown said:

You are probably spot on regarding the display screen, but you are definitely mistaken about the red dot. Tons of folks only buy M Leicas with the red dot 🔴. If it doesn’t have a red dot (like my black paint M10-R) I install a red dot myself.

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Al, we're going to have to check you into Leica Protective Services! 🙂

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On 4/10/2025 at 12:50 PM, Al Brown said:

You are probably spot on regarding the display screen, but you are definitely mistaken about the red dot. Tons of folks only buy M Leicas with the red dot 🔴. If it doesn’t have a red dot (like my black paint M10-R) I install a red dot myself.

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Funny, I do the opposite and put a black circle over my SL3 and SL3S Leica logos and cover the SL# LEICA with black electrical tape. Love my M11's without red dot.

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On 4/10/2025 at 12:48 AM, algrove said:

No more 64GB internal memory. Good bye.😀

I would never trust internal memory for a holiday or job. Perhaps some family snaps but thats it. You can always send an SD card away but you can't easily extract files from internal memory of a camera that locks up more any other camera I have ever known.

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2 hours ago, RQ44 said:

I would never trust internal memory for a holiday or job. Perhaps some family snaps but thats it. You can always send an SD card away but you can't easily extract files from internal memory of a camera that locks up more any other camera I have ever known.

Do you make backups on your computer? It's the same with cameras, at least the way I use them. The M11's internal memory is an SSD, as with modern computers, and the cost of SSDs is steadily decreasing. So there's no serious reason to keep a small SSD, unless you're like me, because I prefer to use SSDs of the same capacity as my favorite SD cards, which are all 64GB at the moment. FWIW.

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2 hours ago, Al Brown said:

I am a professional cinematographer and photographer, making money with my cameras exclusively. I trust my Hasselblad internal 1Tb SSD drive with my life and so do all other peers I know. I do use the CFexpress B card the same size as my SSD as BACKUP ONLY (I did say I am a professional), but it was the actual backup card that failed me once, not the SSD. Having SSD (which is replaceable by the way) as camera’s main storage is safer than cards, everybody who knows how memory cards work and store data can confirm.

I agree with this.. feel robust with the SSD, btw what kind of storage do leica have with their M11 series? I thought i read somewhere the TL was actually using a micro sdcard 

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10 hours ago, Al Brown said:

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I support the personal aesthetic preference choice for red dot absence but I cannot understand theft prevention fantasies with gaffer tape.

For me it has nothing to do with theft as all my gear is insured for that. It often makes people look at the "LEICA" on the SL3 versus acting in their own way, etc. So I now find myself using the SL3S since the script I blacked out on that camera.

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8 hours ago, RQ44 said:

I would never trust internal memory for a holiday or job. Perhaps some family snaps but thats it. You can always send an SD card away but you can't easily extract files from internal memory of a camera that locks up more any other camera I have ever known.

I bet you carry an HDD with you everywhere? I have had more SD card failures than SSD failures. Just mirror your images in both mediums then.

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"LOCKSS" 

"Lots Of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe"

This was the theme of a paper presented by a digital archivist at a conference on digital preservation that I attended a number of years ago. 

I don't trust any of these media to keep things safe by themselves.

The more you learn about how storage media actually work, the more you realize the need for backups governed by a strategy built on multiple complete backup sets stored in multiple locations. 

It may seem excessive, or even obsessive...

...until the first time it saves your butt.

Then you'll know. 

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12 hours ago, Al Brown said:

I am a professional cinematographer and photographer, making money with my cameras exclusively. I trust my Hasselblad internal 1Tb SSD drive with my life and so do all other peers I know. I do use the CFexpress B card the same size as my SSD as BACKUP ONLY (I did say I am a professional), but it was the actual backup card that failed me once, not the SSD. Having SSD (which is replaceable by the way) as camera’s main storage is safer than cards, everybody who knows how memory cards work and store data can confirm.

I agree with what you are saying. My points is not so much distrust, its that should the internal storage fail, it then becomes a logistical nightmare to recover. I too work in the industry and we only film with dual card slot units cameras and a 3rd form of redundancy being an ATMOS recorder. If you have just completed filming on a lengthy interview that is mission critical for next day release and the internal storage dies or becomes corrupt................................You see my point? Internal storage, much like SSD has only a certain life of read and write processes. Once the limit is reached on internal storage, it is impossible to continue using it. This is also the fundamental reason why SSD is not reliable either. We shoot to double SD cards in camera, backup to SSD for time saving and then final archiving back at office is to normal platter drives which are also cloned. It's funny how we have all this technology and yet we don't trust it because of the paranoia of backup in society. I have unpacked from our archive 5400rpm drives from over 15 years ago and they spin up well and work well for recovering archive footage. Also forgot to mention, what I classify as internal storage is not an SSD inserted into a camera body. I am referring to the actual storage chips being soldered onto the mainboard assy as part of one circuit. The same as Apple's Macbook laptops, if their 512gb or 1TB ' internal hard drive ' fails, the laptop is finished.

Edited April 12 by RQ44