SrMi Posted February 15 Share #541 Posted February 15 Advertisement (gone after registration) A big difference is that with Q and SL, you focus wide open, while with M's EVFs, you focus at the working aperture, which makes precise focusing much harder. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FrozenInTime Posted February 15 Share #542 Posted February 15 For M mount lens focus peaking, Ricoh made a good attempt with the GXR M-module, despite the poor EVF technology of the day. The black and white inverted edge detect ( mode 2 ) was the most useful. https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/ricohgxrmounta12/3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted February 15 Share #543 Posted February 15 (edited) On 2/10/2025 at 3:05 PM, jaapv said: First a fake rewind knob, then a fake wind lever. And now a fake window? Call it the M-F. The F stands for fake. Sometimes it seems Leica is borderline obsessed with turning the flagship M camera into a Panasony. Edited February 15 by Herr Barnack 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8X2 Posted February 15 Share #544 Posted February 15 vor 1 Stunde schrieb Herr Barnack: Call it the M-F. The F stands for fake. M-F is probably not such a great idea 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phojomatic Posted February 16 Share #545 Posted February 16 5 hours ago, M8X2 said: M-F is probably not such a great idea Worse yet will be the high resolution M-F-R. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted February 16 Share #546 Posted February 16 10 hours ago, algrove said: The SL has a large pupil opening which I must assume why I like it plus the quality of the TV screen it has. The Q also is easy to use. The Viso 2 while lower in quality than the other two is still plenty for me. I think at times we get too obsessed with the numbers versus just looking at the TV and using it. A lower quality evf doesn’t matter with most cameras because there is visual feedback from the autofocus system. With manual focus you rely on either a high resolution display to nail focus, or you’re left with focus peaking. And focus peaking 1. Is useless at narrow apertures, and 2. obscures important information in the frame by covering it over with coloured pixels. Focus peaking makes it so you often can’t tell if a subject is even looking at the camera unless their face is filling enough of the display. So my fear is, that they just put in an EVF equivalent to the Visoflex 2 (which is their stated aim according to the last user survey) and it will not be capable enough as a standalone manual focusing system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted February 16 Share #547 Posted February 16 Advertisement (gone after registration) Do you think Leica will come up with something unimaginable and innovative? “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted February 16 Share #548 Posted February 16 (edited) 40 minutes ago, raizans said: Do you think Leica will come up with something unimaginable and innovative? “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” A nuclear powered M12 with a new version of fotos which automatically donates £40m to the National Portrait Gallery and direct uploads your photos to your exhibition there as you shoot? Edited February 16 by Derbyshire Man 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted February 16 Share #549 Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Derbyshire Man said: A nuclear powered M12 with a new version of fotos which automatically donates £40m to the National Portrait Gallery and direct uploads your photos to your exhibition there as you shoot? The Chernobyl Edition? Easy to find in the dark.......... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 16 Share #550 Posted February 16 5 hours ago, Stevejack said: [...] So my fear is, that they just put in an EVF equivalent to the Visoflex 2 (which is their stated aim according to the last user survey) and it will not be capable enough as a standalone manual focusing system. Matter of practice i guess but the Visoflex 2 is capable enough as a standalone manual focusing camera, at least for me. As far as my lenses are concerned, focus magnification together with focus peaking can do it at working aperture with lenses from 12mm to 135mm. 28mm at f/8 here, full frame and crop. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 16 Share #551 Posted February 16 IF Leica produce an evfM it is obviously essential that its focus system is as accurate and fast as the rangefinder. Anything else would be a retrograde step. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 16 Share #552 Posted February 16 (edited) 14 minutes ago, pgk said: IF Leica produce an evfM it is obviously essential that its focus system is as accurate and fast as the rangefinder. Anything else would be a retrograde step. But if they get it right, I'm afraid it's the beginning of the end for mechanical rangefinders in the digital Ms. Edited February 16 by evikne Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf Posted February 16 Share #553 Posted February 16 vor 55 Minuten schrieb evikne: But if they get it right, I'm afraid it's the beginning of the end for mechanical rangefinders in the digital Ms. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 16 Share #554 Posted February 16 1 hour ago, evikne said: But if they get it right, I'm afraid it's the beginning of the end for mechanical rangefinders in the digital Ms. No it won't be. I have evf and rf cameras. Chalk and cheese. dSLRs still exist alongside evf cameras, as do rf cameras. Choice and preference will still be required in the marketplace. I still prefer using an rf camera to any other system but that does not mean to say that I don't appreciate the advantages on an evf camera when they are obvious. But unlike some (few or many, I'm unsure) I don't hanker after an evf camera which is shaped like an M camera and has an M mount. The M mount especially is tecnically too small and an absolute limiting factor. The idea on a manual focus evf camera in today's market seems very dubious. Which leaves an evfM as a niche withing a niche as has been stated many times. FWIW an M shaped and sized L mount camera makes vastly better sense but upsets/offends those who believe that such a camera must have the limiting M mount. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleElmar135mm Posted February 16 Share #555 Posted February 16 vor 3 Stunden schrieb Derbyshire Man: A nuclear powered M12 with a new version of fotos which automatically donates £40m to the National Portrait Gallery and direct uploads your photos to your exhibition there as you shoot? ... nuclear is out here in Germany - the M12 will have a solar-cell-hat, connected in the hot shoe and a solar thermie panel for the winter model Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5758392'>More sharing options...
Tseg Posted February 16 Share #556 Posted February 16 I think an EVF M will require a 2 lens system, so that you focus the lens going to the sensor while you leave the EVF lens at F16. No? Business case: Leica sells 2 lenses for every 1 camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 16 Share #557 Posted February 16 11 minutes ago, Tseg said: I think an EVF M will require a 2 lens system, so that you focus the lens going to the sensor while you leave the EVF lens at F16. No? Business case: Leica sells 2 lenses for every 1 camera. Or have built-in lidar for focus confirmation on wide lenses and/or closed apertures. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 16 Share #558 Posted February 16 13 minutes ago, TeleElmar135mm said: ... nuclear is out here in Germany - the M12 will have a solar-cell-hat, connected in the hot shoe and a solar thermie panel for the winter model At least Leica users would be easier to spot😆. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleElmar135mm Posted February 16 Share #559 Posted February 16 vor 34 Minuten schrieb pgk: At least Leica users would be easier to spot😆. ... right. But the worst case is, that tape off the logo will not help 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 16 Share #560 Posted February 16 2 hours ago, pgk said: IF Leica produce an evfM it is obviously essential that its focus system is as accurate and fast as the rangefinder. Anything else would be a retrograde step. I agree about accurate, but since many of the EVF M proponents want help with failing eyesight, then they may be willing to sacrifice speed. And those who are familiar with EVFs but newbies to rangefinders, and nervous about using them, will not be aware of comparative performance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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