lct Posted August 30 Share #2201 Posted August 30 Advertisement (gone after registration) Poor man's Leicas were pretty common then like Agfa in Germany or Foca in France. The first Focas had no RF either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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T25UFO Posted August 30 Share #2202 Posted August 30 1 hour ago, lct said: No idea but OVF cameras sans RF were pretty common at that time. My first one was an Agfa Silette in the 60s. The Super-Silette came with an RF later on. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Agfa Silette was my very first camera. I also remember buying a rangefinder that clipped into the hotshoe. Memories. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30 Share #2203 Posted August 30 Lots of youngies here 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 30 Share #2204 Posted August 30 45 minutes ago, T25UFO said: Agfa Silette was my very first camera. I also remember buying a rangefinder that clipped into the hotshoe. Memories. Mine was my first "real" camera after a box camera, an Agfa Click and and Agfa Clack. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5856193'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted August 30 Share #2205 Posted August 30 6 hours ago, lct said: The way i recall it, the M1 was an entry camera, less expensive than its sister M2, with only 2 framelines, 35 & 50, focal lengths less critical than 90mm as far as focusing. Otherwise the M1 was basically the same camera as the M2. As its instruction manual said then, « The LEICA M1 is identical in its construction and operation with the LEICA M2, except that it does not have a built-in rangefinder ». Well, you may have a look at the numbers of M1 built and (perhaps) sold: according to the Leica Pocket Book 9442 + 208 (olive) M1 to approx 78.000 M2 and 225000 M3. So I‘d call the M3 - the most expensive one - the „standard“ or „entry“ model. You‘ll find the same pattern - though not as extreme - for the Leica Standard or Ic, If, Ig models compared to the „basic“ models III, IIIa, IIIc, IIIf, IIIg. If you want to take lessons from Leica history (even if adan will castigate me) it‘s the rule: cheap doesn‘t sell. Make it more expensive and you‘ll sell more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30 Share #2206 Posted August 30 10 minutes ago, UliWer said: [...] If you want to take lessons from Leica history (even if adan will castigate me) it‘s the rule: cheap doesn‘t sell. Make it more expensive and you‘ll sell more. People expecting deals with the M11-V could well be disappointed then 😱 I would bet that it'll have the same price as the original M11 but it is pure speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted August 31 Share #2207 Posted August 31 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 4/1/2025 at 2:57 PM, pedaes said: As the tee shirt says Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Nice shirt! Where on this earth do you get this? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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evikne Posted August 31 Share #2209 Posted August 31 5 hours ago, student said: Nice shirt! Where on this earth do you get this? 1 hour ago, helged said: Just make a google-search "everyone is a photographer until m". Yes, they are not difficult to find. Inspired by @pedaes picture, I googled the text and ordered this one. I am very satisfied, and have even received comments and thumbs up when people have seen me wearing it and my camera on the street. 😄 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5856425'>More sharing options...
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costa43 Posted August 31 Author Share #2211 Posted August 31 I like it! It has a double meaning for us M fans. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 31 Share #2212 Posted August 31 Brass or aluminum? I'd rather wear a silver M shirt 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted August 31 Share #2213 Posted August 31 1 hour ago, jaapv said: 😪 Try this; the site seems to be shipping everywhere on the planet: https://www.etsy.com/listing/754443153/everyone-is-a-photographer-camera-manual?ls=r&ref=hp_rv-1&content_source=c20649a1ace52587db620b54088b8ddc%3A96801da5016cf803efe7ddafcb87fb1f4d5dc029&logging_key=c20649a1ace52587db620b54088b8ddc%3A96801da5016cf803efe7ddafcb87fb1f4d5dc029 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M8X2 Posted August 31 Share #2215 Posted August 31 As much fun as the T-shirt truly is ... Considering you have an M11 and would want to have an EVF and assuming the M11-V came with some form of hybrid system that would still allow for RF-type use - would you rather buy the M11-V or a Visoflex? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted August 31 Share #2216 Posted August 31 What was the thread title again? 😉 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 31 Share #2217 Posted August 31 12 minutes ago, M8X2 said: Considering you have an M11 and would want to have an EVF and assuming the M11-V came with some form of hybrid system that would still allow for RF-type use - would you rather buy the M11-V or a Visoflex? No idea if the EVF-M (or M-V) will have anything hybrid, but the general consensus seems to be it won't have a rangefinder. So, if you like the rangefinder experience, you're better off buying a Visoflex 2 for your M11. Now, the M-V is expected to be released next October, rumors say, so i'd wait and see if i were you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted August 31 Share #2218 Posted August 31 (edited) 2 hours ago, M8X2 said: As much fun as the T-shirt truly is ... Considering you have an M11 and would want to have an EVF and assuming the M11-V came with some form of hybrid system that would still allow for RF-type use - would you rather buy the M11-V or a Visoflex? It's not going to be a hybrid. Too many compromises - both in physically manifesting it, and with the sales stream. Leica would love for the well heeled to buy one of each. And then trade in the M11-V for the M11-VP or even the M11-VD (how about that designation!) And then there's the M12 to consider, and on and on. No, I think Leica see this as either a companion body for somebody with the traditional rangefinder line, or a body unto itself for those that have always struggled with the rf concept or never wanted to go there in the first place. For the occasional need for EVF, a Visoflex, or even just using the rear screen, is more than enough. Edited August 31 by charlesphoto99 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8X2 Posted August 31 Share #2219 Posted August 31 vor 56 Minuten schrieb charlesphoto99: It's not going to be a hybrid. I would actually bet it's a hybrid, but one without an RF window. A purely digital VF would be too radical to carry the M heritage forward. We'll find out soon enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 31 Share #2220 Posted August 31 1 hour ago, charlesphoto99 said: It's not going to be a hybrid. Too many compromises - both in physically manifesting it, and with the sales stream. Leica would love for the well heeled to buy one of each. And then trade in the M11-V for the M11-VP or even the M11-VD (how about that designation!) And then there's the M12 to consider, and on and on. No, I think Leica see this as either a companion body for somebody with the traditional rangefinder line, or a body unto itself for those that have always struggled with the rf concept or never wanted to go there in the first place. For the occasional need for EVF, a Visoflex, or even just using the rear screen, is more than enough. So it will just be a Visoflex replacement? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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