Lee S Posted February 10 Share #201 Posted February 10 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: or an IBIS 😉 😂how dare you fatten up svelte M with IBIS 1 hour ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: Regarding focus-recompose: That is one of the stupidities that the RF imposes on you. It stands in the way to get properly focused photos when using lenses with a shallow DoF and field curvature (that all Noctiluxes suffer heavily from M body. 1) Maybe the wizzes at Leica can make the M12 have a mechanical movable focus patch window operated by rear buttons. 2) Lets design lens with a field curvature radius equal to the focus distance. No more focus and recompose problems. 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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T25UFO Posted February 10 Share #202 Posted February 10 Can we summarise 11 pages and 204 posts, of which almost 100 posts in the last 24 hours . . . the only reason for making an EVF M camera is that some people cannot focus the rangefinder. 2 3 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 10 Share #203 Posted February 10 7 minutes ago, T25UFO said: Can we summarise 11 pages and 204 posts, of which almost 100 posts in the last 24 hours . . . the only reason for making an EVF M camera is that some people cannot focus the rangefinder. And the other thread about IBIS (12 pages and 239 posts) is because some people can't hold the camera steady. 🙃 2 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee S Posted February 10 Share #204 Posted February 10 (edited) Well everyone, there is dearly demand for such a camera therefore I’ve emailed the only other manufacturer I know that makes full frame Rangefinder M Mount cameras to highlight a potential market that sets them apart from Leica. They would probably sell more EVF variants than their current rangefinder equipped camera. It could be their M8 moment. https://pixii.fr/pixii-max Their cameras are actually modular which is cool, you can change sensors and processor. Perhaps they can add an EVF upgrade. If you would buy one feel free to show your support, say Bonjour and email them at info@pixii.fr Lee Edited February 10 by Lee S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted February 10 Share #205 Posted February 10 3 hours ago, evikne said: It needs a viewfinder window. If not for technical reasons, then to keep the classic design (yes, I've heard of the MD, but that looked weird too). An early Alpa SLR had a real window finder in addition to it’s mirror-and-prism system. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted February 10 Share #206 Posted February 10 47 minutes ago, T25UFO said: Can we summarise 11 pages and 204 posts, of which almost 100 posts in the last 24 hours . . . I asked admin a few weeks ago if there was an option to view the thread as an entire continuous page, some forums have this as "show printable version" or similar. Unfortunately we can't in LUF. The idea is that you can feed an entire thread into AI and ask it specific questions about the information / debates / summaries / etc. and then properly understand what's already been discussed. It would be a nice feature to have. ChatGPT with search does currently reference LUF with links to threads but it's not quite the same as being able to feed it specific information to analyse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted February 11 Share #207 Posted February 11 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 27 minutes ago, Stevejack said: I asked admin a few weeks ago if there was an option to view the thread as an entire continuous page, some forums have this as "show printable version" or similar. Unfortunately we can't in LUF. The idea is that you can feed an entire thread into AI and ask it specific questions about the information / debates / summaries / etc. and then properly understand what's already been discussed. It would be a nice feature to have. ChatGPT with search does currently reference LUF with links to threads but it's not quite the same as being able to feed it specific information to analyse. I theorize ChatGPT will say "Please leave the M alone. It does not need an EVF. There is much emotion in this thing you call LUF." Edited February 11 by Crem 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted February 11 Share #208 Posted February 11 I think that is pretty good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 11 Share #209 Posted February 11 28 minutes ago, Stevejack said: I asked admin a few weeks ago if there was an option to view the thread as an entire continuous page, some forums have this as "show printable version" or similar. Unfortunately we can't in LUF. The idea is that you can feed an entire thread into AI and ask it specific questions about the information / debates / summaries / etc. and then properly understand what's already been discussed. It would be a nice feature to have. ChatGPT with search does currently reference LUF with links to threads but it's not quite the same as being able to feed it specific information to analyse. Most AI answers to my photography-related questions were wrong. The problem comes when people start using AI answers as facts. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted February 11 Share #210 Posted February 11 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Derbyshire Man said: I think that is pretty good! @SrMi So far it seems to be very accurate 😀 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 11 by Crem 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5755406'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 11 Share #211 Posted February 11 I don't think I am decrepit enough yet not to be able to read through a thread and summarize it in my head - I don't need a computer and algorithm to do that for me. And yes, I am a sentence at a glance reader. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted February 11 Share #212 Posted February 11 7 minutes ago, SrMi said: Most AI answers to my photography-related questions were wrong. The problem comes when people start using AI answers as facts. Do you still find this on o1-pro? It's been very accurate for me with the higher reasoning models but anything below o1-pro (and sometimes o3-mini-high) is basically useless you already know the answers. However, as a tool for extracting information (without inferring 'answers' from that information) the chain of thought reasoning has become very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmknoble Posted February 11 Share #213 Posted February 11 4 hours ago, jaapv said: It is a simple technique. Most M users don’t find it a problem to get perfectly focused images that way. +10, no +100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmknoble Posted February 11 Share #214 Posted February 11 Food for thought. Leica has gone in and out of every camera series they have ever made, except the M. They are celebrating 100 years in Wetzlar in June this year. The M6 has had more varieties than any other M. They will likely try one M EVF and see how it works. But I would bet my last dollar that they will not remove the idea of the M - the rangefinder, simple, for making a photograph with the simplist of control - f/stop, ISO and shutter speed. They are too good at this and they still exist because of this. Just my opinion. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 11 Share #215 Posted February 11 55 minutes ago, Stevejack said: Do you still find this on o1-pro? It's been very accurate for me with the higher reasoning models but anything below o1-pro (and sometimes o3-mini-high) is basically useless you already know the answers. However, as a tool for extracting information (without inferring 'answers' from that information) the chain of thought reasoning has become very good. o1-pro is $200 per month, right? I do not have access to o1-pro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted February 11 Share #216 Posted February 11 Just now, SrMi said: o1-pro is $200 per month, right? I do not have access to o1-pro. Yeah, this is the biggest problem right now. The only (somewhat) capable models are locked behind a severe paywall, and all of them are only time-savers still - they certainly aren't (yet) phd or even undergraduate level research assistants even when at their best. I got little to no use out of AI until o1-pro launched but now I use it a lot and get value from the pro subscription, though I'm probably in the minority. I really wish I had access to something like this when I was doing my PhD, even with its flaws. I haven't tried deep-seek but by all accounts it's similar to some of the better reasoning models (and free I think?) though it suffers a bit more due to censorship in certain areas of interest which makes it a non-starter for me. AI on the whole is a mess right now and it's flooding the internet with nonsense. I think most user experiences would be overwhelmingly negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFW2-SCUSA Posted February 11 Share #217 Posted February 11 I have been using Leica's since the mid 1960s. I find the rangefinder easy to use and fast. What I would like the fine minds at Leica to develop would be a small, excellent Visoflex for those times I want to use a macro lens or a longer lens. I use the 020 and it works, but it is ugly, ungainly and not built all that well. I have not tried the new Visoflex so perhaps that would solve my problem, but that's not what I have read here. A high quality, small, well built Visoflex would be the answer, I think. I don't want the M body messed with any more than it is (I use an M10 R and M10 M). Perhaps someone can tell my why Leica hasn't made a Visoflex to satisfy our needs. And I might add at a reasonable (hahaha) price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted February 11 Share #218 Posted February 11 Have owned and sold all three Leica digital Visoflexes. I have no quarrel with the latest Viso 2’s EVF performance, but I disliked the weight and solidity that were actually design goals. I preferred the lightweight plasticky housing of the two earlier EVFs for two reasons: balance, and the fact that if bumped, a plasticky gizmo in the hot shoe is less likely to damage the camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted February 11 Share #219 Posted February 11 3 hours ago, graphlex said: Have owned and sold all three Leica digital Visoflexes. I have no quarrel with the latest Viso 2’s EVF performance, but I disliked the weight and solidity that were actually design goals. I preferred the lightweight plasticky housing of the two earlier EVFs for two reasons: balance, and the fact that if bumped, a plasticky gizmo in the hot shoe is less likely to damage the camera. The Visoflex is an afterthought, an attempt to make the camera something it isn’t. The resolution is poor and it looks just plain ugly on what is a classic design camera. It defeats the whole purpose of a rangefinder. You want macro? Use a different camera. You want a long telephoto? Use a different camera. Can’t afford two different Leica cameras? Buy something cheap for other uses, there are plenty of options. Just don’t mess with the Messsucher. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 11 Share #220 Posted February 11 Now that we can have AI summaries of a whole thread, does that mean no more posts are needed? The argument is over? No disputes? . . . (ROTFLMAO!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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