EVF M rumoured

[lct]

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1 hour ago, IkarusJohn said:

My suspicion is that it will be a simple approach - a ship comes in from China, everything will get hit with the “China” tariff, at least as a starting point.

Imagine a container shipped aboard in North Korea. Would you calculate the tariff as if it came from China? Not sure Mr Kim would like that 😄

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54 minutes ago, lct said:

Imagine a container shipped aboard in North Korea. Would you calculate the tariff as if it came from China? Not sure Mr Kim would like that 😄

Now imagine the reverse: Chinese goods transshipped through North Korea. Then the bureaucracy—the accretions to the administrative state—needed to plug this loophole. Etc etc. 

[saxo]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb IkarusJohn:

.....  If this odd approach to trade with the US (note, NOT international trade), there will be a lot of slight of hand and convenient labelling.  Almost no part of a Specialized bike (from California) is made in the US - will they set up plants making their frames, handlebars, forks, suspension, saddles, electronics, chains, tyres, batteries and saddles in the US?  And that’s for a simple bicycle.....

If all the parts will be made in the US, just vor the US market,  the US customer will pay a premium anyway. Guess what a complete iPhone made in USA would cost. The consumer benefits from the division of labor and free trade, as the history has proven countless times. Tariffs are for the old-fashioned.

The Muenchhausen group in the White House will also learn this. The only bitter pill is how to get there.

If I cross the US border after this post, I will be thrown in jail.

[IkarusJohn]

3 hours ago, lct said:

Imagine a container shipped aboard in North Korea. Would you calculate the tariff as if it came from China? Not sure Mr Kim would like that 😄

Do any container ships sail from North Korea to the US?  Somehow, I doubt it.

[jaapv]

I understand that tariffs crept in but this thread is about an increasingly hypothetical M-EVF. 

[saxo]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb jaapv:

I understand that tariffs crept in but this thread is about an increasingly hypothetical M-EVF. 

Sorry, you're right, come to Germany and buy the m-evf in Wetzlar, If it is not only a rumor.....

[T25UFO]

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49 minutes ago, saxo said:

Sorry, you're right, come to Germany and buy the m-evf in Wetzlar, If it is not only a rumor.....

And don't declare it when returning to the USA or do the right thing and pay the tax on entry?

[saxo]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb T25UFO:

And don't declare it when returning to the USA or do the right thing and pay the tax on entry?

Stay abroad 😉. Yes, the only soliution is free trade

[DadDadDaddyo]

Guess I'm going to have to wait for the latest Kodak Retina....

[graphlex]

13 hours ago, T25UFO said:

And don't declare it when returning to the USA or do the right thing and pay the tax on entry?

And if the former, get sent to Guantanamo or equivalent 

[SrMi]

23 minutes ago, graphlex said:

And if the former, get sent to Guantanamo or equivalent 

Worse than Guantanamo would be to lose Global Entry privilege :).

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20 hours ago, T25UFO said:

And don't declare it when returning to the USA or do the right thing and pay the tax on entry?

For what it's worth, just saw this story on reddit, from somebody from the US who bought a Safari edition in Germany..

TL;DR: Picked up the new Leica M11-P Safari while traveling in Germany. After VAT refund + U.S. tax exemption + 2% cashback, my final cost was just $8,685 USD—nearly $2,800 saved vs. buying it in the U.S.

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I happened to be in Germany when Leica announced the M11-P Safari—literally the same hour the new Pope was elected on Thursday May 8th. I’d been eyeing the M10-P Safari for a while, but even decently pre-loved ones with brassing and scuffs are still $7.5–8K used.

I called the Leica Boutique Frankfurt the moment I saw the announcement. Each German store received exactly 3 units, and within the first hour, 2 were already spoken for. Huge thanks to Farzad at the boutique—he held the last one while I cabbed over.

The sticker price was €9,250, which came out to around $10,400 USD—but that includes Germany’s 19% VAT, and as a non-EU citizen flying directly back to the U.S., I was eligible for a 14.5% VAT refund. I paid with my Discover card (2% cashback), and they helped prep the paperwork via Planet Tax Free.

At Frankfurt Airport the next day, I had the forms stamped and processed. The refund will go back to my Visa card in about 2–3 weeks, and I’ll still receive the 2% cashback from Discover based on the full purchase price.

Back in the U.S., I declared the camera properly and even printed out a copy of the U.S. Harmonized Tariff Schedule (HTS), which clearly states that digital still cameras are duty-free. Customs was smooth, no issues.

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Final cost breakdown: • Original price: $10,400 USD • VAT refund: –$1,507 (to Visa) • 2% Discover cashback: –$208 (to Discover) • Total effective cost: $8,685 USD

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U.S. price would’ve been: • $10,400 retail + ~$1,040 (10% U.S. sales tax) = $11,440 USD

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Total savings: ~$2,755 USD

Not a flex—just sharing in case anyone else traveling abroad wants to take advantage of similar savings. FX timing and paperwork make a big difference, but it’s very doable if you’re already in the EU. Please ensure to diligently check foreign exchange rates before and while travelling as daily FX rates will have impacts, but hopefully not too much.

[costa43]

1 hour ago, username said:

For what it's worth, just saw this story on reddit, from somebody from the US who bought a Safari edition in Germany..

 

TL;DR: Picked up the new Leica M11-P Safari while traveling in Germany. After VAT refund + U.S. tax exemption + 2% cashback, my final cost was just $8,685 USD—nearly $2,800 saved vs. buying it in the U.S.

⸻

I happened to be in Germany when Leica announced the M11-P Safari—literally the same hour the new Pope was elected on Thursday May 8th. I’d been eyeing the M10-P Safari for a while, but even decently pre-loved ones with brassing and scuffs are still $7.5–8K used.

I called the Leica Boutique Frankfurt the moment I saw the announcement. Each German store received exactly 3 units, and within the first hour, 2 were already spoken for. Huge thanks to Farzad at the boutique—he held the last one while I cabbed over.

The sticker price was €9,250, which came out to around $10,400 USD—but that includes Germany’s 19% VAT, and as a non-EU citizen flying directly back to the U.S., I was eligible for a 14.5% VAT refund. I paid with my Discover card (2% cashback), and they helped prep the paperwork via Planet Tax Free.

At Frankfurt Airport the next day, I had the forms stamped and processed. The refund will go back to my Visa card in about 2–3 weeks, and I’ll still receive the 2% cashback from Discover based on the full purchase price.

Back in the U.S., I declared the camera properly and even printed out a copy of the U.S. Harmonized Tariff Schedule (HTS), which clearly states that digital still cameras are duty-free. Customs was smooth, no issues.

⸻

Final cost breakdown: • Original price: $10,400 USD • VAT refund: –$1,507 (to Visa) • 2% Discover cashback: –$208 (to Discover) • Total effective cost: $8,685 USD

⸻

U.S. price would’ve been: • $10,400 retail + ~$1,040 (10% U.S. sales tax) = $11,440 USD

⸻

Total savings: ~$2,755 USD

Not a flex—just sharing in case anyone else traveling abroad wants to take advantage of similar savings. FX timing and paperwork make a big difference, but it’s very doable if you’re already in the EU. Please ensure to diligently check foreign exchange rates before and while travelling as daily FX rates will have impacts, but hopefully not too much.

Nice one. If I was living in the United States and looking for a Leica, I would be very keen on a Euro holiday right now! What a great reason for a holiday.

[lct]

So guys when you go on holidays in Europe and buy EU things, you never pay import taxes when coming back in the USA, serious? Beware that customs agents are reading us right now 😄

[SrMi]

6 hours ago, lct said:

So guys when you go on holidays in Europe and buy EU things, you never pay import taxes when coming back in the USA, serious? Beware that customs agents are reading us right now 😄

The Reddit post says that the camera was declared, but is duty-free because of personal use under a specific USHTS code.

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[Photon42]

You guys should really open an import / export thread. Any new rumors on the EVF-M?

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Not the whole picture for the EU.

Although Import Tax is 0%, individuals still pay Value Added Tax (VAT) that varies depending on member state. This is typically 20%.

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1 hour ago, Corius said:

Not the whole picture for the EU.

Although Import Tax is 0%, individuals still pay Value Added Tax (VAT) that varies depending on member state. This is typically 20%.

..indeed, but you probably get a chunk of that back; as above -

The sticker price was €9,250, which came out to around $10,400 USD—but that includes Germany’s 19% VAT, and as a non-EU citizen flying directly back to the U.S., I was eligible for a 14.5% VAT refund.

[NigelG]

When I was living till recently in NYC I just bought from HK.
No travel/Tax refunds/Filings and zero duty on camera import…