EVF M rumoured

[LocalHero1953]

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8 hours ago, lct said:

Depends on the subject, when i want to focus in the shadow for instance.

M11, Visoflex 2, Summicron 50/2 v1, f/2

M11, Visoflex 2, Summicron 50/2 DR, f/2
 

I can understand that for manual focusing, though it's not something I do. (I prefer to keep things I want to focus on in well-lit areas, but I realise there are no rules on this). 

6 hours ago, SrMi said:

If you want to frame precisely, you need to know what is in your corners.

True, but as someone else has pointed out, an EVF is better for that than the M OVF !

FWIW for me the main value of an OVF is the zero-lag view. Even the best EVFs lag, increasingly so as light levels fall.

Edited April 9 by LocalHero1953

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[jaapv]

The real advantage of an OVF is that one is not looking at a projected picture of the scene but at the scene itself. The photographer is not an outside observer but a participant.  
The rest, corners, shadows etc are just marginal technical differences that anybody can overcome or inconveniences. at worst. 

[Smogg]

27 minutes ago, jaapv said:

The real advantage of an OVF is that one is not looking at a projected picture of the scene but at the scene itself. The photographer is not an outside observer but a participant.  
The rest, corners, shadows etc are just marginal technical differences that anybody can overcome or inconveniences. at worst. 

Very precise words, I fully support! The rangefinder, thanks to the OVF, does not tear you out of the scene, you capture live emotions, yours and others.

[Leicaflex]

EVF or OVF is in the end a question of personal preference not about what is better or worse.

With the disappearance of DSLRs the M is now the allmost the only modern camera with analogue framing and focusing and a direct view on the subject without a digital screen. 

[TeleElmar135mm]

vor 26 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

The real advantage of an OVF is that one is not looking at a projected picture of the scene but at the scene itself. The photographer is not an outside observer but a participant.  
The rest, corners, shadows etc are just marginal technical differences that anybody can overcome or inconveniences. at worst. 

... sometimes I wonder how we were able to be able to work with analog film - or even today - and with an OVF without electronic aids. Where was the AI? To put it another way: The OVF fits the M like the mirror fits the analog SL and the EVF fits the digital SL. As we say in German: The “Eigerlegendewollmilchsau” (egglayingwoolmilkpig ?) does not exist.

[Smogg]

15 minutes ago, TeleElmar135mm said:

... sometimes I wonder how we were able to be able to work with analog film - or even today - and with an OVF without electronic aids. Where was the AI? To put it another way: The OVF fits the M like the mirror fits the analog SL and the EVF fits the digital SL. As we say in German: The “Eigerlegendewollmilchsau” (egglayingwoolmilkpig ?) does not exist.

In relation to cameras it would sound like this: LeicahybridVFrangefinderHasselbladcolorIBISautomanualfocus😆

[SrMi]

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17 minutes ago, Smogg said:

Very precise words, I fully support! The rangefinder, thanks to the OVF, does not tear you out of the scene, you capture live emotions, yours and others.

I was once shooting from a helicopter with an H6D (best OVF ever) and a Sony a7rIII. It saw a shocking difference when switching between the cameras (different focal lengths). With H6D, I was in the scene, with Sony I was looking at the data interpreting what the camera was seeing.

It is what it is, but the lack of detail/contrast in current EVFs is a dire issue, unless there is a mode like Olympus's S-OVF mode, quickly switchable via a button.

[SrMi]

11 hours ago, J S H said:

When you use highlight weighted metering, do you have exposure preview set to half press? If so, the EVF view will allow you to see far into the shadows, as the signal is amplified to the highest possible amount until you half-press the shutter button, when it then reflects the actual exposure. This is the best of both worlds, in my experience. This setting also eliminates the brightness fluctuations in the EVF as the framing (and calculated exposure) changes. 

Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I am using exposure preview on half-press. It helps a lot but I still have issues. Will check with EVF brightness maxed out.

[Smogg]

4 minutes ago, SrMi said:

 

It is what it is, but the lack of detail/contrast in current EVFs is a dire issue, unless there is a mode like Olympus's S-OVF mode, quickly switchable via a button.

I understand that this is an analogue of Natural View in Fuji? If so, then on Fuji I always have this function on a separate button.

[SrMi]

6 minutes ago, Smogg said:

I understand that this is an analogue of Natural View in Fuji? If so, then on Fuji I always have this function on a separate button.

No, Natural View is not good enough. For Fuji I turn exposure simulation off. I access it via a button, but need to cycle through modes to reach it. Note that all the special viewing modes invalidate histogram and clipping warnings (they are not accurate).

Edited April 9 by SrMi

[lct]

This is a topic about the expected EVF-M. People interested have an RF alreay or don't like it and want something else. Chances they change their mind because an RF is an RF are negligible at best.

[jaapv]

There are no people on the fence? Nor people interested in both in various degrees?  No prosecutors and defenders in the same court?  I would say a discussion can only live by opposing views. 

[Leicaflex]

The rumors that the M11 is discontinued seem to be right. There is an official statement about it on the phoblographer.

This opens up some more possibilities for an EVF M. It would be strange that the first EVF M is based on an allready discontinued model. Maybe it gives a little glimpse of M12.

Edited April 9 by Leicaflex

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15 minutes ago, Leicaflex said:

The rumors that the M11 is discontinued seem to be right. There is an official statement about it on the phoblographer.

This opens up some more possibilities for an EVF M. It would be strange that the first EVF M is based on an allready discontinued model. Maybe it gives a little glimpse of M12.

The M11-P is virtually identical to the M11. I don't think you can read anything into the M11 being discontinued.

[lct]

20 minutes ago, Corius said:

The M11-P is virtually identical to the M11. I don't think you can read anything into the M11 being discontinued.

The 64GB M11 is discontinued. 256GB versions are still available though.

[Smudgerer]

Looking at the length of this thread with so many words words words, ( anyone remember where that came from? ), and hot air expended wouldn't it be a big let-down if Leica's big Anniversary Surprise turns out to be a re-issue of the M3 in Black Paint?

[costa43]

22 minutes ago, Leicaflex said:

The rumors that the M11 is discontinued seem to be right. There is an official statement about it on the phoblographer.

This opens up some more possibilities for an EVF M. It would be strange that the first EVF M is based on an allready discontinued model. Maybe it gives a little glimpse of M12.

I will bet my bottom dollar that it will have the M11-D top plate and the 60mp sensor. Everything is set up for an easy transition, the M11 meters off the sensor, the top plate of the M11-D has no ISO dial so a little more space if needed. Leica are not going to move heaven and earth to test this one out. The path of least resistance is the obvious one imo. 

[costa43]

Just now, Smudgerer said:

Looking at the length of this thread with so many words words words, ( anyone remember where that came from? ), and hot air expended wouldn't it be a big let-down if Leica's big Anniversary Surprise turns out to be a re-issue of the M3 in Black Paint?

I would be very tempted with one of those!

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11 minutes ago, costa43 said:

I would be very tempted with one of those!

Me too so I hope my jest won't turn out to be true, I've too many of the damn things......Oh but wait, no 35mm frame-lines on a M3 so I'm sort of safe but if they do reissue a Black M3 WITH an updated VF that includes 35mm frame-lines then I and the wallet are done for.

[lct]

Black M2?