Max EPR Posted December 31, 2024 Share #1 Posted December 31, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) My question is regarding the possible limited write/rewrite lifetime of the M11 internal memory which I assume is basically the same design as a computer SSD drive. SSD drives can only write/rewrite so many times before a guaranteed failure. Larger SSD drives can write/rewrite more times than smaller SSD drives. If this is correct information, the the M11 with 64GB will fail quicker than the 256GB version. If this is correct and the memory is soldered to the circuit board, then an internal memory failure on an M11 will be very expensive out of warranty. What is your opinion? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DadDadDaddyo Posted December 31, 2024 Share #2 Posted December 31, 2024 We should all live so long... 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted December 31, 2024 Share #3 Posted December 31, 2024 When it fails, I will use the SD card. I am not worried about something that MAY happen in a few years ... my heart may give up before, or I have a stroke ... I have other cameras and memory options if that happens. I shall not lose any sleep over this or the one thousand and other things that can go wrong. I will probably be on the M13 by then 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogxwhit Posted December 31, 2024 Share #4 Posted December 31, 2024 All possessions will have one or more guaranteed design or manufacturing flaws ... as each of us does as a living being. Stop thinking too much, & endorse life! 😉 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velo-city Posted December 31, 2024 Share #5 Posted December 31, 2024 The MTBF (or any other lifespan metric) of the internal memory really is the least of your worries on an M11….. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siriusone59 Posted December 31, 2024 Share #6 Posted December 31, 2024 Make prints, store copies in a safe location. Nothing electronic is guaranteed immune from failure or obsolescence.🤔 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 1 Share #7 Posted January 1 Advertisement (gone after registration) It could be said that all your organs are hardwired to your brain, so don't beat yourself up around the head! You could trigger an early failure. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter12 Posted January 1 Share #8 Posted January 1 It's a time bomb. Get rid of it now. I'll take it off your hands for a minimal fee. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted January 1 Share #9 Posted January 1 11 hours ago, Max EPR said: My question is regarding the possible limited write/rewrite lifetime of the M11 internal memory which I assume is basically the same design as a computer SSD drive. SSD drives can only write/rewrite so many times before a guaranteed failure. Larger SSD drives can write/rewrite more times than smaller SSD drives. If this is correct information, the the M11 with 64GB will fail quicker than the 256GB version. If this is correct and the memory is soldered to the circuit board, then an internal memory failure on an M11 will be very expensive out of warranty. What is your opinion? I am not sure what the objective of this post is..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 1 Share #10 Posted January 1 Just use the SD card and you may never find out if the internal memory is failing. Did I ever use it? hum, I don't remember! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 1 Share #11 Posted January 1 All digital cameras have an internal memory/buffer. https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/hardware/ssd-lifespan-how-long-will-your-ssd-work/ I have been using digital cameras since 2001 and been on this forum since 2004. I have never heard of an internal memory failure. So ask this question in a couple of decades. Or maybe within a century or so: https://www.technewstoday.com/lifespan-of-ssd/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 1 Share #12 Posted January 1 14 hours ago, Siriusone59 said: Make prints, store copies in a safe location. Nothing electronic is guaranteed immune from failure or obsolescence.🤔 Ink fades… 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Blanko Posted January 1 Share #13 Posted January 1 And supposedly most of the users won’t even notice any internal memory failures, as local defect cells would be likely remapped by the memory management system - unless you plan to permanently store your photos over your life time. 🤔 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted January 1 Share #14 Posted January 1 I suspect the shutter will wear out before the flash memory. Or are modern shutters rated for a million or more cycles these days? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 2 Share #15 Posted January 2 14 hours ago, jaapv said: Ink fades… Like old wine, the fading may make the prints better🤣. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RQ44 Posted January 2 Share #16 Posted January 2 On 1/1/2025 at 8:34 AM, Max EPR said: My question is regarding the possible limited write/rewrite lifetime of the M11 internal memory which I assume is basically the same design as a computer SSD drive. SSD drives can only write/rewrite so many times before a guaranteed failure. Larger SSD drives can write/rewrite more times than smaller SSD drives. If this is correct information, the the M11 with 64GB will fail quicker than the 256GB version. If this is correct and the memory is soldered to the circuit board, then an internal memory failure on an M11 will be very expensive out of warranty. What is your opinion? I am not worried. I am aware of what you are alluding to. If you are concerned, just keep using SD cards and resort to the internal as a worst case, last resort solution. IMO, I would not use the internal storage for mission critical, long holiday snaps in case. Its easier to recover from SD than internal memory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 3 Share #17 Posted January 3 And here I was looking for a definitive root cause of the freezes! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 3 Share #18 Posted January 3 Anyone have that hand drawn diagram that’s been floating around this forum for 10+ years for how to adjust the rangefinder? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 3 Share #19 Posted January 3 9 hours ago, dkmoore said: Anyone have that hand drawn diagram that’s been floating around this forum for 10+ years for how to adjust the rangefinder? is this random or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henners Posted January 3 Share #20 Posted January 3 I think due to the nature of what the internal storage is used for (single write for storing an image, a few reads for preview on screen and copying to phone/computer) it's very lightweight usage. I'd guess that you'd have to be a very heavy user, constantly photographing in a studio for 10+ years to even get to the point it might become some kind of issue, even then I think you'd be a long way off. I've not done any googling on the read/writes and figured it out in any scientific way so I could be completely wrong but that's my thoughts. SSD storage is used for operating systems and they hammer the read/writes all day every day and those drives will still last many many years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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