Goodbye, M11!

[3D-Kraft.com]

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vor 15 Stunden schrieb setuporg:

I always had a nagging feeling that M11 colors are too sharp and Sony-like, and M10-R assuages that with the expected, classic Leica look.

It's all quite subjective, especially when you prefer the misinterpretation of colors of the M240 to those of Sony (which also differ from model to model and sensor to sensor but at least did never had that strange magenta tint of the M11 or the extreme orange shift of the M240).

Edited December 28, 2024 by 3D-Kraft.com

[lct]

I kept my M240 for backup to my M11. None suffers from the so-called magenta cast but reds tend to saturate on the M11 and to clip on the M240. Both are easy to adjust in post if needed so i wouldn't call this an issue.

[crf59]

On 11/24/2024 at 4:58 AM, jaapv said:

Personally I never saw a need for the M11 - The M10 (for the size and (if anybody cares) resolution) and M9 (for its purity) are more than enough to get great results whilst enjoying RF photography in my book. To paraphrase:  "It's the lenses, stupid...."  

Hmmm. I thought the same originally, but I now have 3 M11s. The dynamic range of the sensor, the high resolution, and more capable metering have won me over. Yes, I still get great pics from my M10s, but if stranded on a desert island it's the M11 for me. I'd also mention that on my first M11 I had a couple of lockup issues. What I found over time is older memory cards seem to be one cause. Since using current memory cards, I have had no further issues (and of course keep the firmware up to date). I don't see how they will greatly improve upon the M11. Maybe some newfangled mix of optical and EVF overlay. 

All that said, I do like the look of the M9 files. My only issue with my M9 now is I can't find new batteries anymore. Which seems to be an issue for all discontinued Leicas these days. Even the M240 is hard to find batteries for now.

[jaapv]

M9 batteries are all over the place.

 

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[hdmesa]

On 12/27/2024 at 4:03 PM, setuporg said:

Update: just received a mint M-P Typ 240 that is the only M to shoot color video.  After shooting lots of kids videos with the M246, this is a perfect companion.  The battery life exceeds M11s.  The gorilla glass screen is bright and everything feels just right.  The video makes it an important option for family vacations.  So it worked out very well.  For the main M, enjoying the trusted M10-R again.  I always had a nagging feeling that M11 colors are too sharp and Sony-like, and M10-R assuages that with the expected, classic Leica look.

Better put that 240 on a gimbal lest your audience feel like they're watching the D-Day scene from Saving Private Ryan.

[NigelG]

1 minute ago, hdmesa said:

Better put that 240 on a gimbal lest your audience feel like they're watching the D-Day scene from Saving Private Ryan.

As a very-much non-film-maker I prefer spontaneous videos of kids having fun and mucking about to have a bit of a retro “un-steadicam” feel rather than the polished “gimballed” pro look of some influencer’s feed…kid videos have maybe more in common w D-day sometimes…

[SrMi]

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2 hours ago, NigelG said:

As a very-much non-film-maker I prefer spontaneous videos of kids having fun and mucking about to have a bit of a retro “un-steadicam” feel rather than the polished “gimballed” pro look of some influencer’s feed…kid videos have maybe more in common w D-day sometimes…

All is well as long as you do not force your relatives and friends to watch the videos every time they visit 🤣.

[NigelG]

3 hours ago, SrMi said:

All is well as long as you do not force your relatives and friends to watch the videos every time they visit 🤣.

I’m sure compared to the cine films of me my father shot on Super 8 @setuporg’s will be as smooth as the veritable millpond 🫨

[SrMi]

28 minutes ago, NigelG said:

I’m sure compared to the cine films of me my father shot on Super 8 @setuporg’s will be as smooth as the veritable millpond 🫨

As long as it is as spontaneous as Loriot's "Ein Klavier, ein Klavier" 🤣.

[setuporg]

I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the high quality of the M240/246 videos, made special by the Leica lenses.  The jerkiness must be controlled, of course, but if you can shoot at 1/15 you know how to keep a Leica steady anyways.  I’ve found a blog of a videographer who put a Leica M240 on a gimbal for a job, for the unique look.

The colors of the M240 are indeed superb and were familiar to me since using the Edition 60 for a long time.  It is a strange and new feeling to see the color photos on a screen where previously there has been none!

Overall I am grateful to the erstwhile M11s for reconnecting me with the Leica heritage.  As some of you may remember, I got a last new old M9-P from Leica waiting for an M11, and now bookended it with an M-P.  This adds a pleasure of rereading @Overgaard’s reviews going back in time and appreciating various features in context.  There are also blogs of folks who are rediscovering these cameras anew.  What differentiates Leica from any other digital camera lines is that a new thing does not completely subsume the old one.  The old ones often become special in comparison, featuring the CCD sensor looks or rangefinder video.

[setuporg]

On 12/28/2024 at 10:03 AM, jaapv said:

M9 batteries are all over the place.

 

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I also found that having a whole bunch of M9 batteries is easy.  One problem was charging them, which turned out to be a problem with one of the original Monochrom chargers.  I’ve obtained a dual USB-C charger with LED status from Amazon for a whopping $11 that quickly charged all the batteries and M9 shows them full!  The M240 batteries can also be had from Varta and one of mine is even Korean.  They last forever still and seem OK after a year’s pause.  

[lct]

10 minutes ago, setuporg said:

The M240 batteries can also be had from Varta

I wish they could. Made by Varta for Leica but only Leica sell them AFAIK.

[algrove]

I like the M11 and can correct in post any concerns about colors, but over $9k bothers me more than anything else.

[setuporg]

4 hours ago, algrove said:

I like the M11 and can correct in post any concerns about colors, but over $9k bothers me more than anything else.

Wait until new Trump tariffs!:)

[algrove]

7 hours ago, setuporg said:

Wait until new Trump tariffs!:)

Those are on lenses not camera bodies.

[setuporg]

On 12/28/2024 at 4:27 PM, NigelG said:

kid videos have maybe more in common w D-day sometimes…

And as they grow up, kids win all the time!

[algrove]

D-Day? Thousand death in a few hours where Normandy beach was red with blood. My father was one of them.

Bad example.

[lct]

50 minutes ago, algrove said:

D-Day? Thousand death in a few hours where Normandy beach was red with blood. My father was one of them.

This Norman thanks him and them all from the bottom of his heart 🙏

[hdmesa]

16 hours ago, algrove said:

D-Day? Thousand death in a few hours where Normandy beach was red with blood. My father was one of them.

Bad example.

Don't gatekeep and humblebrag without considering context. The reference originally made to D-Day in this thread was to the Spielberg filming style of that scene from Saving Private Ryan.

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[algrove]

1 hour ago, hdmesa said:

Don't gatekeep and humblebrag without considering context. The reference originally made to D-Day in this thread was to the Spielberg filming style of that scene from Saving Private Ryan.

Wow, "humblebrag". I thought you were nicer than that.  I missed your Saving Private Ryan mention which brought up other D day mentions.

Edited December 31, 2024 by algrove