Goodbye, M11!

[setuporg]

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After losing photos with M11-D, I've returned it, and now it will find its way to Wetzlar for examination.  And since I've listed my M11-P once I got the D, I've decided to sell that one, too.

I've kept my trusted pair of M10-R/M, and am very happy to be back using them, alongside M9-P, M9M, Edition 60, etc.  Heck I can also shoot a B&W movie with the M 246.  Or try film again.

I might come back to M11 family as I amassed a Visoflex 2, a few extra batteries and a charger, all of which I like.  But for now a break and rest is warranted. 

Gonna see what bags are in vogue over at the M10 forum!  

Edited November 24, 2024 by setuporg

[jakontil]

2 hours ago, setuporg said:

After losing photos with M11-D, I've returned it, and now it will find its way to Wetzlar for examination.  And since I've listed my M11-P once I got the D, I've decided to sell that one, too.

I've kept my trusted pair of M10-R/M, and am very happy to be back using them, alongside M9-P, M9M, Edition 60, etc.  Heck I can also shoot a B&W movie with the M 246.  Or try film again.

I might come back to M11 family as I amassed a Visoflex 2, a few extra batteries and a charger, all of which I like.  But for now a break and rest is warranted. 

Gonna see what bags are in vogue over at the M10 forum!  

Oh no… u might probably be missing that good old baseplate…

Im considering the M11D a lot.. since i have always been then fan of this screenless M since M60… but material keeps me away from it

my take is, start shooting films again.. 

[didier]

Although I prefer the classical metering I got used to ever since using M cameras (M6) and don’t really like the open-close-open-close-open shutter of the M11, I was considering the M11D as I am fond of the idea of a screen less camera.

Your experience @setuporg with M11D keeps me away from buying one…

To go with my trusty M10M I am considering a M10R again… and I’ve been shooting more film again for several months 

 

[jaapv]

Personally I never saw a need for the M11 - The M10 (for the size and (if anybody cares) resolution) and M9 (for its purity) are more than enough to get great results whilst enjoying RF photography in my book. To paraphrase:  "It's the lenses, stupid...."  

[evikne]

I'm glad I waited and didn't buy the M11-D, it wasn't quite what I was hoping for (it still looks tempting though). I can't afford trial and error, and I don't have a backup camera. I need to know that my next camera is something I can rely on for years to come. But my M10 still works great, and I'm fine with waiting a few more years to see how the M12-D turns out.

[jaapv]

Why? If your camera works great, what sense does it make to buy another one?

[jakontil]

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10 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Why? If your camera works great, what sense does it make to buy another one?

I think he refers to the D experience, without the screen

[evikne]

5 minutes ago, jakontil said:

I think he refers to the D experience, without the screen

If you're talking about me, then yes, I really want a camera without a screen. But I'm in no hurry.

[Smogg]

5 hours ago, setuporg said:

After losing photos with M11-D, I've returned it, and now it will find its way to Wetzlar for examination.  And since I've listed my M11-P once I got the D, I've decided to sell that one, too.

I've kept my trusted pair of M10-R/M, and am very happy to be back using them, alongside M9-P, M9M, Edition 60, etc.  Heck I can also shoot a B&W movie with the M 246.  Or try film again.

I might come back to M11 family as I amassed a Visoflex 2, a few extra batteries and a charger, all of which I like.  But for now a break and rest is warranted. 

Gonna see what bags are in vogue over at the M10 forum!  

That world with a different white balance, be careful!😜

[jaapv]

30 minutes ago, evikne said:

If you're talking about me, then yes, I really want a camera without a screen. But I'm in no hurry.

Well, if you are looking for a factory new one, there is still a few years time. 

[RF’sDelight]

@setuporg I feel you. 😎 

I still have mixed feelings about the M11-D. The only two things that I can spontaneously acknowledge compared to all my M10 experiences are the higher battery performance and the better connectivity with the Leica Foto app.  What annoys me the most at the moment is that I accidentally change the exposure compensation via the thumbwheel just by using/holding/raising the camera. Does this happen to anyone else? 

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[Robert Blanko]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb RF’sDelight:

@setuporg I feel you. 😎 

I still have mixed feelings about the M11-D. The only two things that I can spontaneously acknowledge compared to all my M10 experiences are the higher battery performance and the better connectivity with the Leica Foto app.  What annoys me the most at the moment is that I accidentally change the exposure compensation via the thumbwheel just by using/holding/raising the camera. Does this happen to anyone else? 

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The accidental adjustment of the exposure compensation was already discussed in another thread recently as a side aspect: You can cycle through different functions by pressing the thumb wheel. There is a least one setting where turning the wheel does not have any effect if in auto ISO mode, as far as I remember - thus no accidental adjustment of the exposure compensation unless you accidentally press and then turn.

Regarding the battery performance, my experience is slightly different in practice: With my M10 and M10R I just turned the camera on for taking the photo and turned off immediately afterwards. Now with the M11-D I set auto-turn off to 30 or 60s, and do not turn off the camera after taking a photo when on a photo walk. This is to have improved experience with the GPS via the app. Result is, however, that the battery lasts less photos than with my M10 / M10R.

[fenykepesz]

vor 13 Minuten schrieb RF’sDelight:

What annoys me the most at the moment is that I accidentally change the exposure compensation via the thumbwheel just by using/holding/raising the camera. Does this happen to anyone else?

yes, @RF’sDelight , i agree, that's an annoying feature, happened to me too, perhaps more during the first weeks i accustomed myself to the new m11d.

as i never ever make use of exposure compensation i would highly welcome a thumbwheel-EC-switch-off feature in a new firmware version, like i had proposed such elsewhere already.

[Robert Blanko]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb setuporg:

After losing photos with M11-D, I've returned it, and now it will find its way to Wetzlar for examination.  And since I've listed my M11-P once I got the D, I've decided to sell that one, too.

I've kept my trusted pair of M10-R/M, and am very happy to be back using them, alongside M9-P, M9M, Edition 60, etc.  Heck I can also shoot a B&W movie with the M 246.  Or try film again.

I might come back to M11 family as I amassed a Visoflex 2, a few extra batteries and a charger, all of which I like.  But for now a break and rest is warranted. 

Gonna see what bags are in vogue over at the M10 forum!  

That's indeed a bad experience. In M10R you can trust. Have had no issues so far and I hope I will not have any issues with the M11-D. But I have to admit that I never really used the internal memory. According to the settings the photos are saved on both SD and internal memory. However, when connecting to my macbook, I do not see any photo on the internal memory - even though via apps they are there... But I also did not manage to format the internal memory so far. 

[Stephen.s1]

3 hours ago, jaapv said:

Why? If your camera works great, what sense does it make to buy another one?

I'll have that engraved on a granite slab and place it on my checkbook

[oekoek]

30 minutes ago, RF’sDelight said:

What annoys me the most at the moment is that I accidentally change the exposure compensation via the thumbwheel just by using/holding/raising the camera. Does this happen to anyone else? 

It does, to me and my M10 monochrome, i got it recently and suppose one has to get used to it.

[evikne]

It shouldn't be necessary to have a thumbwheel on a D at all. I don't think it fits in there.

And what exactly do we need a thumbwheel for? To choose things? I thought the D experience was about not having to have so many choices.

Edited November 24, 2024 by evikne

[Crem]

8 hours ago, setuporg said:

After losing photos with M11-D, I've returned it, and now it will find its way to Wetzlar for examination.  And since I've listed my M11-P once I got the D, I've decided to sell that one, too.

I've kept my trusted pair of M10-R/M, and am very happy to be back using them, alongside M9-P, M9M, Edition 60, etc.  Heck I can also shoot a B&W movie with the M 246.  Or try film again.

I might come back to M11 family as I amassed a Visoflex 2, a few extra batteries and a charger, all of which I like.  But for now a break and rest is warranted. 

Gonna see what bags are in vogue over at the M10 forum!  

Welcome to the M11 sellers club. I was getting the itch to get the M11-D, but decided to wait after reading your posts and a number of others. I’m sticking with my M10-R, SL2-S, and film bodies.

[RF’sDelight]

vor 50 Minuten schrieb Robert Blanko:

Regarding the battery performance, my experience is slightly different in practice: With my M10 and M10R I just turned the camera on for taking the photo and turned off immediately afterwards. Now with the M11-D I set auto-turn off to 30 or 60s, and do not turn off the camera after taking a photo when on a photo walk. This is to have improved experience with the GPS via the app. Result is, however, that the battery lasts less photos than with my M10 / M10R.

I see. My experience comes from a simpler and unchanged way of using M10 and M11 with a 2 minute auto turn off.

vor 47 Minuten schrieb fenykepesz:

i would highly welcome a thumbwheel-EC-switch-off feature in a new firmware version

+1 🤞

vor 15 Minuten schrieb evikne:

It shouldn't be necessary to have a thumbwheel on a D at all. I don't think it fits in there.

Yes and no. No because it helps with some settings when no iPhone app is around, but also yes if a D would be/should be even closer to a analoge shooting experience. 

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[hdmesa]

10 hours ago, setuporg said:

After losing photos with M11-D, I've returned it, and now it will find its way to Wetzlar for examination.  And since I've listed my M11-P once I got the D, I've decided to sell that one, too.

I've kept my trusted pair of M10-R/M, and am very happy to be back using them, alongside M9-P, M9M, Edition 60, etc.  Heck I can also shoot a B&W movie with the M 246.  Or try film again.

I might come back to M11 family as I amassed a Visoflex 2, a few extra batteries and a charger, all of which I like.  But for now a break and rest is warranted. 

Gonna see what bags are in vogue over at the M10 forum!  

I have done the same before, my extra M11 battery and thumb grip waiting in a cold closet between M11 purchases 🫠 At least your Visoflex 2 will work on your M10 cameras.

I wish you'd tried a replacement M11-D before giving up. It's the same internal memory as the M11-P, of which you're the first person I recall to ever have an issue with the SSD just crapping out like that. Lemons happen with all Ms.

For me – I can never go back to using an ND filter to shoot wide open in bright light. I'm stuck now "needing" an M that has an electronic/hybrid shutter option.

Edited November 24, 2024 by hdmesa