How widespread is the ‘FREEZE’ problem!?

[lct]

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3 minutes ago, Smogg said:

If the Leica head office is silent about the problem, then Leica London has no choice but to follow the lead of the head office so as not to lose the dealership and maintain sales levels. They have nothing to lose by selling you the M11, you may be lucky and not run into problems. And if you encounter a problem, they will say with feigned regret that you are the only unlucky person and will offer repairs lasting several months or replacement

None of my Leica dealers would have dared to behave this way with me when i used my cameras professionally in half a century.

[Smogg]

3 minutes ago, lct said:

None of my Leica dealers would have dared to behave this way with me when i used my cameras professionally in half a century.

Then I will assume that Leica London receives M11 cameras of some special series that do not have the problems described above😂

[lucerne]

5 hours ago, Smogg said:

Then I will assume that Leica London receives M11 cameras of some special series that do not have the problems described above😂

Since when were products distribututed according to preselected or predetermined serial numbers ?

This discussion contains some ridiculous statements.!

@smogg    Please send your m11 for a full cash refund and don't buy another one.   

[algrove]

So upset as my M11's and M11M do not freeze up , but my M6 just froze up at exposure 39. Boy am I disappointed. Will send it in for repair.

[RobW0]

1 hour ago, algrove said:

So upset as my M11's and M11M do not freeze up , but my M6 just froze up at exposure 39. Boy am I disappointed. Will send it in for repair.

You just need to push a little harder on the film advance and the shutter will start working again.  No need to send it in for repair. 

[fotografr]

1 hour ago, algrove said:

So upset as my M11's and M11M do not freeze up , but my M6 just froze up at exposure 39. Boy am I disappointed. Will send it in for repair.

You should always get another half frame beyond 39. Just use it for a bookend. M6 repair time is now six years. 

Edited March 28, 2024 by fotografr

[Herr Barnack]

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56 minutes ago, fotografr said:

...M6 repair time is now six years. 

What a blistering pace the repair department is laying down these days!

[algrove]

18 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

What a blistering pace the repair department is laying down these days!

It's the price of success.😜

[grahamc]

1 hour ago, fotografr said:

You should always get another half frame beyond 39. Just use it for a bookend. M6 repair time is now six years. 

6 months to look at it, a day to dissemble & 5.5 years to work out how to put it back together   

(The last lens I sent to wetzlar was incorrectly reassembled according to DAG who then fixed it for me) 

[Slange00]

To give you an additional data point: I have an M11 and an M11M, I have used the M11 since launch. I have never had a freeze issue with my M11M and experienced 3 freeze issues over the lifetime of the M11. After switching to a scandisk extreme pro 255G sd card I have not had any additional freeze issues on my M11 (over a 2 month period). I am on current firmware on both units 

 

[algrove]

I use Sandisk 128 extreme pro 300/s SD cards only and never a problem.

[lct]

6 minutes ago, algrove said:

I use Sandisk 128 extreme pro 300/s SD cards only and never a problem.

Same with the following SD cards since firmware 1.6.1.
I format them with SD Card Formatter though.
• UHS1 Sandisk Extreme Pro 95mb/s (64gb)
• UHS1 Sandisk Extreme Pro 170mb/s (256gb)
• UHS2 Sandisk Extreme Pro 300mb/s (64gb)
• UHS2 Sony Tough 300mb/s (64gb)

[algrove]

I had a problem with a Sony Tough card on my M10M and never used them since on a Leica. That said they performed well on my Fuji 100S.

[don daniel]

Am 27.3.2024 um 00:12 schrieb jgeenen:

 Whatever M11 upgrade will show up in the future - only upgrade if you are expecting a real benefit.

Like getting rid of the freezes. Like getting rid of the magenta cast. Like getting rid of the color noise in high ISO JPGs out of the cam. There are a few issues that need to be tackled. As a camera, the M11 is only half-finished.

[lct]

8 minutes ago, algrove said:

I had a problem with a Sony Tough card on my M10M and never used them since on a Leica. That said they performed well on my Fuji 100S.

My first SD card for M11, a 64GB Sony Tough card, caused freezes when i bought the camera in May 2022. I tossed the Sony card then and reverted to my usual Sandisk cards with no issues whatsoever since firmware 1.6.1. Funnily enough i've been given another 64GB Sony Tough card for Xmas 2023. I planned to sell it or to use it with other cameras but curiosity was too strong so after 2 months in a drawer i inserted the new Sony card in my M11 and formatted it with the camera under the excellent (to me) firmware 2.0.2. Total success since then. The card seems even more responsive than my fastest Sandisk but i did no metering TBH.

Edited March 28, 2024 by lct

[fotografr]

46 minutes ago, don daniel said:

Like getting rid of the freezes. Like getting rid of the magenta cast. Like getting rid of the color noise in high ISO JPGs out of the cam. There are a few issues that need to be tackled. As a camera, the M11 is only half-finished.

All will be good with the M12. 🥴

[Jamie Roberts]

8 hours ago, don daniel said:

Like getting rid of the freezes. Like getting rid of the magenta cast. Like getting rid of the color noise in high ISO JPGs out of the cam. There are a few issues that need to be tackled. As a camera, the M11 is only half-finished.

Can I please ask you to say how you "know" there's a magenta cast with the M11? Have you been shooting grey cards at fixed (and known) broad--spectrum white balances, and then measuring outputs from different RAW converters?

I"ve seen a few images here (with all the caveats that browsers etc... impose on colors) that seem to tilt towards magenta. I've seen a few arguments about it here, but nothing demonstrable or repeatable so far.

For me, so far (5k shots in), I haven't seen any of mine with a magenta cast except in the case of very poor illumination and mixed light when I measure neutrals at various stages of illumination. Of course, this is raw-processor dependent...

Now, an unfiltered M8: *that* had demonstrable magenta issues

As for color noise in high ISO out-of-cam JPEGs; yeah, it's there. They should fix that if possible (it's certainly fixable in post, but the whole point, I guess, of SOOC JPEGs is not have to do much post-processing :)) 

Edited March 28, 2024 by Jamie Roberts

[algrove]

8 hours ago, fotografr said:

All will be good with the M12. 🥴

Will there be an M13 or has that spot been reserved for the M11?

[algrove]

50 minutes ago, Jamie Roberts said:

Can I please ask you to say how you "know" there's a magenta cast with the M11? Have you been shooting grey cards at fixed (and known) broad--spectrum white balances, and then measuring outputs from different RAW converters?

I"ve seen a few images here (with all the caveats that browsers etc... impose on colors) that seem to tilt towards magenta. I've seen a few arguments about it here, but nothing demonstrable or repeatable so far.

For me, so far (5k shots in), I haven't seen any of mine with a magenta cast except in the case of very poor illumination and mixed light when I measure neutrals at various stages of illumination. Of course, this is raw-processor dependent...

Now, an unfiltered M8: *that* had demonstrable magenta issues

As for color noise in high ISO out-of-cam JPEGs; yeah, it's there. They should fix that if possible (it's certainly fixable in post, but the whole point, I guess, of SOOC JPEGs is not have to do much post-processing :)) 

You got me thinking with your comments and frankly most of the time I like what the M11 produces. I only shoot and process RAW. Then again if it is always too magenta create a profile and use it all the time. 

In C1 I find I like M11 images. I stopped using LR years ago.

Edited March 28, 2024 by algrove

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[lct]

Found a bit of red cast in the M11 profile but nothing difficult to adjust in PP. Got too much magenta with Adobe softwares but i don't use them normally.