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FW6.0 "killed" BBF?

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5 hours ago, Slender said:

I am not updating my SL2 because too accustomed to BB zoom in for M Lenses... what a non-sense to get rid of that.

DId you ask Leica whether it was on purpose or it's a bug?

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12 hours ago, SrMi said:

Mod: Please rename the title.

There is a new option, Button Lock: change it to Press and hold to regain the classic BBF functionality.

 

Thanks for pointing this out! I updated FW at the weekend but had not used the camera yet. I'm shooting a music gig tomorrow night and would have been quite confused!

So after the update BBF still worked but I had to double press the joystick. Indeed going to "Customise control" and changing the setting to "Press and hold" returns the normal behaviour.

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I am really curious about how they beta test their firmware updates. There is almost no information in the update notes on the website - it really shouldn’t be a surprise when such fundamental interface features are changed and the only way you find out is by installing the update and things don’t work the way they’ve been working for years.

They really should revise their beta testing program and have people in the real world who use the cameras regularly provide feedback before they let these updates out into the wild.

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I love my SL bodies, but my biggest frustration is that the improved functionality added through the firmware update process is not clearly documented.  My only comparison is with my Nikon and JVC cameras where each addition or change to functionality is accompanied by an update to the user manual. With my SL cameras it seems to be left as an exercise for the user.  My SL2 manual is now so out of date as to be irrelevant. While the firmware release notes tell us what changed they do not really provide a basis for fully understanding their effect on how we use the camera. Fortunately, the Leica community on this forum will, eventually figure it out, but there will be a lot of angst and confusion during the process.  Seems unnecessary IMO.

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2 hours ago, Luke_Miller said:

I love my SL bodies, but my biggest frustration is that the improved functionality added through the firmware update process is not clearly documented.  My only comparison is with my Nikon and JVC cameras where each addition or change to functionality is accompanied by an update to the user manual. With my SL cameras it seems to be left as an exercise for the user.  My SL2 manual is now so out of date as to be irrelevant. While the firmware release notes tell us what changed they do not really provide a basis for fully understanding their effect on how we use the camera. Fortunately, the Leica community on this forum will, eventually figure it out, but there will be a lot of angst and confusion during the process.  Seems unnecessary IMO.

I mark up my copy of the SL2-S manual to reflect the firmware changes, but I'm running out of cartridges for my Rapidograph. Since the preferred means of distributing manuals seems to be electronic PDFs, you'd think they could revise the download copies and save themselves the printing costs.

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So, for those of us who only shoot with M lenses on SL bodies, is the joystick pretty much useless at the moment? I haven't used the SL for a long time, so I've forgotten a few things. I just updated the firmware and noticed something was off with the joystick. Then I saw the news on this forum about the magnification option being removed from it.

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8 hours ago, Chuck Albertson said:

I mark up my copy of the SL2-S manual to reflect the firmware changes, but I'm running out of cartridges for my Rapidograph. Since the preferred means of distributing manuals seems to be electronic PDFs, you'd think they could revise the download copies and save themselves the printing costs.

they did do that for the SL601 a few times [updated pdf on the site], dunno if they're still doing it

leicas release notes leave a lot to be desired

 

 

 

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I haven't updated firmware yet however was having troubles magnifying using the joystick. I can't remember whether it was for M Lenses or SL lenses the joystick wouldn't work. It became the Sadstick after that. Anyway I configured the front "split" FN button (the lower one) to toggle magnification. I have profiles for either joystick focus or joystick AE Lock depending on the shooting scenario. I am getting used to using the front Fn button and work furiously in some situations to attain critical focus. Of course one must set the auto focus rectangle on ones subject first. I have the other "half" of the front Fn button to re centre the focus rectangle or at least be conscious where the thing is otherwise pay the price for unsharp images.   

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On 12/10/2023 at 12:28 PM, SrMi said:

Mod: Please rename the title.

There is a new option, Button Lock: change it to Press and hold to regain the classic BBF functionality.

 

So with the new update, if you change this setting, the regular one quick press of the joystick returns the zoom function like it used to be?  Or you have to hold the joystick in or?

 

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6 hours ago, MarkinVan said:

Haven't updated to 6.0, currently have SL2 set to manual focus, Autofocus with Joystick and with Magnification set with focus ring on SL lens. Would I still have that after upgrade to 6.0? Thanks.

I do with mine.  Although magnification with focus ring can be a bit hit and miss.  That is not changed with v6.0.

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37 minutes ago, lifeandmylens said:

So with the new update, if you change this setting, the regular one quick press of the joystick returns the zoom function like it used to be?  Or you have to hold the joystick in or?

No. The "Double Press" feature acts as a lock, maintaining the effect of the joystick being depressed after removing the thumb.  To release the joystick it needs to be depressed a second time.  Neither setting restores the magnification function.

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I find it curious that Leica accommodates those who prefer to use back button autofocus and then assumed those same photographers would not prefer to continue to use back button magnification for manual focus lenses.  Years of muscle memory are hard to overcome.

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there is no mention anywhere that focus zoom is no longer an option.

 

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14 hours ago, frame-it said:

they did do that for the SL601 a few times [updated pdf on the site], dunno if they're still doing it

leicas release notes leave a lot to be desired

 

 

 

I was going to check on that (my copy is premised on FW 2.2 running), but it seems they have removed the manual for the SL601 from the support downloads page!

But their manuals are also a bit opaque - I don't think you'll find the term "back button focus" in any of them. It has to be inferred.

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