SL2S FW6.0

[LBJ2]

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49 minutes ago, Geoff C. Bassett said:

Thank god I didn't update my camera. Joystick zoom for manual lenses is the main reason I own a SL2, it's removal on the SL2 prevents me from ever using this firmware and it missing from the SL3 would prevent me from ever buying that camera. 

The good news is Leica is now aware how popular this feature is and hopefully we will see it added back shortly. For me using the thumbwheel instead was a quick and easy transition, but I would prefer to at least have the option to use the joystick for MF magnification too,

The way I read Leica's response posted earlier, they heard loud and clear..."they are on it" 

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[Renata]

On 12/10/2023 at 3:29 AM, LocalHero1953 said:

You just turn it, no need to press. Pressing still brings up the PASM selection.

 

I can't get my SL2-S to behave this way. Moving the thumbwheel without pressing it first doesn't do anything. I can only get magnification if I press the wheel first.

And PASM is gone, pressing the wheel doesn't bring it up like it used to before FW6.0.

Any suggestions? 

[Malabito]

4 hours ago, Renata said:

I can't get my SL2-S to behave this way. Moving the thumbwheel without pressing it first doesn't do anything. I can only get magnification if I press the wheel first.

And PASM is gone, pressing the wheel doesn't bring it up like it used to before FW6.0.

Any suggestions? 

Not sure it can work like that. At least mine with the latest firmware when set to magnification you need to press the wheel first,  same for any other function, you need to press the wheel first to activate the function.

Perhaps it needs to be assigned from where you set the front and back wheel scroll functions. Not sure about that. 

Regarding PSAM, you need to assign it to the press wheel functionalities, press the wheel and leave it pressed for a while,  it will bring up the list of functions you can assign. Search for PSAM if you want it to behave as before.

[LocalHero1953]

5 hours ago, Renata said:

I can't get my SL2-S to behave this way. Moving the thumbwheel without pressing it first doesn't do anything. I can only get magnification if I press the wheel first.

And PASM is gone, pressing the wheel doesn't bring it up like it used to before FW6.0.

Any suggestions? 

I have no idea! Have you checked what is on your Wheel Assignments (under Customise Control). There are separate settings for AF and MF lenses. Check that Magnification is one of the selections under Wheel Assignment - MF Lens.

28 minutes ago, Malabito said:

Not sure it can work like that. At least mine with the latest firmware when set to magnification you need to press the wheel first,  same for any other function, you need to press the wheel first to activate the function.

Perhaps it needs to be assigned from where you set the front and back wheel scroll functions. Not sure about that. 

Regarding PSAM, you need to assign it to the press wheel functionalities, press the wheel and leave it pressed for a while,  it will bring up the list of functions you can assign. Search for PSAM if you want it to behave as before.

And I have no idea why you camera is working that way. I have mine in front of me. With AF lens or M lens (Leica adapter) attached, pressing the rear wheel allows you to select PASM.

And no, I don't press the button first to bring up Magnification. It is there for immediate use, like EC, Aperture or Shutter can be, depending on how you have set Wheel Assignment.

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@Malabito and @Renata, I think you have misunderstood the settings. Assign PASM to your wheel button by the press-and-hold technique (press the wheel and hold it till the selection list appears, then select PASM). That will make sure that PASM remains on the wheel button. NOW GO TO THE CUSTOMISE CONTROL MENU, and select Wheel Assignment for MF lenses. Assign Magnification to one or other of the wheels. Magnification will then be a direct action - no need to press the wheel at all. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by LocalHero1953

[Malabito]

4 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I have no idea! Have you checked what is on your Wheel Assignments (under Customise Control). There are separate settings for AF and MF lenses. Check that Magnification is one of the selections under Wheel Assignment - MF Lens.

And I have no idea why you camera is working that way. I have mine in front of me. With AF lens or M lens (Leica adapter) attached, pressing the rear wheel allows you to select PASM.

And no, I don't press the button first to bring up Magnification. It is there for immediate use, like EC, Aperture or Shutter can be, depending on how you have set Wheel Assignment.

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@Malabito and @Renata, I think you have misunderstood the settings. Assign PASM to your wheel button by the press-and-hold technique (press the wheel and hold it till the selection list appears, then select PASM). That will make sure that PASM remains on the wheel button. NOW GO TO THE CUSTOMISE CONTROL MENU, and select Wheel Assignment for MF lenses. Assign Magnification to one or other of the wheels. Magnification will then be a direct action - no need to press the wheel at all. 

No i haven't. This is why i said that any function assigned via the long press functionality involves the user to push the wheel for it to be activated, even if it's the magnification function. 

Regarding the just pressing of the wheel to zoom in, I said that "Perhaps it needs to be assigned from where you set the front and back wheel scroll functions", basically what you just said. 

[Kristofferpaulsen]

5 hours ago, Renata said:

I can't get my SL2-S to behave this way. Moving the thumbwheel without pressing it first doesn't do anything. I can only get magnification if I press the wheel first.

And PASM is gone, pressing the wheel doesn't bring it up like it used to before FW6.0.

Any suggestions? 

Really?? Thats one of my fav things

[FocusDot]

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On 12/11/2023 at 11:04 AM, LocalHero1953 said:

I am very happy with the magnification function being moved to a dial - it works well for how I use it- but I agree the option should remain to use the joystick. 

Correct me if I am wrong - you could also previously assign the magnification function to a dial - so how is it "moved" to it now?
The only thing happened in fw6 6.0 is that the same function is removed from the joystick...

[LocalHero1953]

45 minutes ago, FocusDot said:

Correct me if I am wrong - you could also previously assign the magnification function to a dial - so how is it "moved" to it now?
The only thing happened in fw6 6.0 is that the same function is removed from the joystick...

Yes, you could (and still can) assign Magnification to a dial, to be accessed by a 'button' press on the dial; that magnified the view to the previous zoom amount (which might be the maximum). The new set up means you can access it just by turning the dial (no press), starting at the lowest magnification amount.

That works better for me: it eliminates a button press, and I start from lowest magnification, which makes it easier to see where in the scene I am magnifying.

[FocusDot]

23 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Yes, you could (and still can) assign Magnification to a dial, to be accessed by a 'button' press on the dial; that magnified the view to the previous zoom amount (which might be the maximum). The new set up means you can access it just by turning the dial (no press), starting at the lowest magnification amount.

That works better for me: it eliminates a button press, and I start from lowest magnification, which makes it easier to see where in the scene I am magnifying.

My SL2 is running in a very old FW (I use it mostly with M lenses, never really felt the need for the upgrade) and no button press on the dial is needed to activate magnification, just turning the dial...exactly as you describe it.

I still prefer using the joystick though...

[Renata]

5 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

 

@Malabito and @Renata, I think you have misunderstood the settings. Assign PASM to your wheel button by the press-and-hold technique (press the wheel and hold it till the selection list appears, then select PASM). That will make sure that PASM remains on the wheel button. NOW GO TO THE CUSTOMISE CONTROL MENU, and select Wheel Assignment for MF lenses. Assign Magnification to one or other of the wheels. Magnification will then be a direct action - no need to press the wheel at all. 

It works! Now I have magnification without having the press the thumbwheel first AND P-A-S-M the way it was before. Thanks.

[Carrot]

I used to use the joystick to magnify but have now set a front button to go direct to maximum magnification, and the top dial to offer stepped magnification, I find it useful to have the option. I have left the thumbwheel to press for PSAM mode. When they fix the change I will probably go back to the joystick to go straight to maximum zoom, but I’d also want them to enable a second press of the joystick to cancel zoom, which was not possible before 6.0. 

[insomnia]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb Malabito:

No i haven't.

Wait, so you're complaining constantly about things but you won't try out what users suggest you? Obviously you're missing the functionality.

[Malabito]

15 minutes ago, insomnia said:

Wait, so you're complaining constantly about things but you won't try out what users suggest you? Obviously you're missing the functionality.

Users suggest me?  Who is asking for suggestions? I am very well aware of how the camera works.

But i think we kind of mixed things, I was referring to the new functionalities that can be assigned to the wheel with the new firmware. If you want to use the thumb wheel for any of the functions that you assigned via long press, (assign a function), you need to always press the wheel first, that also includes magnification, iso, etc, but you also have  the option to assign what the wheel does when scrolling, (this is not new)  and that's another setting, its dependent on if you have a manual lens or not, there you are limited to only a series of options and is done via another menu. If you set magnification, it will indeed magnify without the need to press the wheel, but this is only available for manual lenses. 

But i guess you just wanted to participate and feel useful.. 

 

[Malabito]

27 minutes ago, insomnia said:

Wait, so you're complaining constantly about things but you won't try out what users suggest you? Obviously you're missing the functionality.

and yes, i am complaining about the fact that now you can't use the joystick to zoom in with the leica adapter  Before you could easily move the focus point with the joystick and pushed to zoom in, all right under the same button. Now you need to use the joystick to change positions and use the wheel to zoom in, which i was using previously with exposure compensation instead of magnification. 

[Geoff C. Bassett]

So I realized that they have heard the feedback, and this thread seems pretty negative, including from me.

Given I have the S5IIx as a backup went ahead and updated the firmware to get a update for the SL2 and all my lenses.  I have a couple of video shoots coming up that I can use the new AutoWB Lock feature on that would be really handy.

Impressions after update:

- AutoWB is fantastic for me, it will be incredibly useful for shooters filming events in challenging lighting conditions such as weddings. I want that on every hybrid camera that shoots video.
- Low light AF seems to be very slightly better after this latest update, seems to be pulsing less for me.
- Glad to have the rear dial now as another custom button. Didn't use it previously for changing modes. 

Overall very impressed, aside from that one issue.

[Luke_Miller]

After the update to v6.0 I am struggling to figure out how to change Modes.  The previous way of depressing the thumbwheel and cycling through the modes no longer works, and Mode selection is not assignable to an FN button.  It is not a menu item. The only control I can find is on the Status screen.  What am I missing?

[hoolyproductions]

4 hours ago, Luke_Miller said:

After the update to v6.0 I am struggling to figure out how to change Modes.  The previous way of depressing the thumbwheel and cycling through the modes no longer works, and Mode selection is not assignable to an FN button.  It is not a menu item. The only control I can find is on the Status screen.  What am I missing?

IIRC you can re-set the thumbwheel button so that pushing brings up the mode selector - they have just given more choices for the button (or then indeed, use the status screen)

[memphismonroe]

Tbh it makes more sense to have magnification on the rear dial and move the camera around to find focus and then recompose, just as you do on a analog kamera. I would argue its more tactile, fun and faster than moving the joystick around, also the dial gives you the opportunity to go back and forth with different magnifications.

Having the joystick for AEL and Back focusing also sound pretty great, haven't tried it yet.

But sure if you prefer the joystick I'm not gonna argue, and it's a bit weird that Leica took away the function.

One thing that I would like to see though is the ability to change the menu items on the "home screen" with the icons, I don't really want to have format card and leica fotos on the first screen...

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[Luke_Miller]

My initial thought was to assign Mode to the thumbwheel.  But Mode (Aperture, Shutter, Manual, Program) is not assignable to the thumbwheel when depressed as a FN button.  It seems that every menu item is now assignable, but Mode is not a menu item.  As near as I can tell to change modes with firmware v6.0 I have to depress the Menu Button bringing up the Status Screen.  Then use the joystick to navigate to the Mode control, depress the joystick bringing up the Mode Menu. Use the joystick to navigate to the desired Mode. Then depress the joystick to select the Mode.

So the Mode selection function (depress thumbwheel & rotate) I learned to use with my SL (which I still shoot with) and continued to use with my SL2 seems to be no longer available after firmware v6.0 just like Magnification with the joystick.  While I appreciate the additions in the latest firmware, the subtractions have greater and negative affect on my usage.

Edited December 23, 2023 by Luke_Miller

[memphismonroe]

25 minutes ago, Luke_Miller said:

My initial thought was to assign Mode to the thumbwheel.  But Mode (Aperture, Shutter, Manual, Program) is not assignable to the thumbwheel when depressed as a FN button.  It seems that every menu item is now assignable, but Mode is not a menu item.  As near as I can tell to change modes with firmware v6.0 I have to depress the Menu Button bringing up the Status Screen.  Then use the joystick to navigate to the Mode control, depress the joystick bringing up the Mode Menu. Use the joystick to navigate to the desired Mode. Then depress the joystick to select the Mode.

So the Mode selection function (depress thumbwheel & rotate) I learned to use with my SL (which I still shoot with) and continued to use with my SL2 seems to be no longer available after firmware v6.0 just like Magnification with the joystick.  While I appreciate the additions in the latest firmware, the subtractions have greater and negative affect on my usage.

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding, but on my Leica SL2-S when pressing the rear dial I can flick through the shooting modes with the latest firmware.

I just noticed that AEL gets cancelled when zooming for focus though..