LikameLeica Posted October 28, 2023 Share #61 Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Finally the most frustrating issue for me has been resolved. The ability to turn off touch display in Live View and therefore avoid the issue of focus magnification point get accidentally moved to various points on the screen. How? In menu select Customize Control, then select Touch Mode, then select the option Off (LV mode) Once enabled touch is disabled on the back LCD display while in Live View LV. Thank you Leica developers for this new feature!! If you prefer to leave the touch screen enabled on Live View, you can alternatively program one of the function button to Center Frame. This will allow you to quickly recenter the focus magnification point to the center. Edited October 28, 2023 by LikameLeica 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jakontil Posted October 28, 2023 Share #62 Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, chioque said: Can I downgrade my M11 firmware? However I cannot seem to find 1.6.1 (or 1.6.2 which was installed on my camera before by Leica service) available to be downloaded anymore from their website. Going back isnt an option 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted October 28, 2023 Share #63 Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Crem said: Hold down one of the programmable buttons. I used the back wheel button. After holding it down for a couple seconds a menu will popup. Then I had to scroll down the list of options to the very last one. The options is called "Center frame". When use the button it instantly moves the screen's focus point to the very center. I can then use the arrows buttons or a screen tap (or double tap) to pick a different focus point... and again click the button to move it instantly back to the center. Interestingly the back wheel button didnt work for me... pressing and holding it did nada, just kept displaying the EV setting... but holding the FN button did the trick and indeed the crosshairs now center. I'd prefer the central button in the 4-way could be assigned to do this instead, but I can get use to it. Thx for the tip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chioque Posted October 28, 2023 Share #64 Posted October 28, 2023 2 hours ago, chioque said: I have just installed 2.0.1 on my M11. However I can’t seem to have live view on the back LCD. I do not have any coded lens, so I choose the lens manually, mine is 50mm summicron IV. It seems the shutter curtain is closed. It only opens when I press the shutter button. Is there a new setting I need to enable for non-coded lens? Update. It’s not the firmware which was the issue. I am now at Leica Store Kuala Lumpur, and the camera itself is not detecting any lens. Even the coded ones, even when manually choosing the lens type. My camera just came back from Germany after 6 monts of servicing. Now Leica here wants to sent it back for servicing first to Singapore, and if they cannot resolve it then to Germany again 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ I am totally and utterly disappointed. I asked if they can replace the camera instead of repairing the second time, but Leica here says they cannot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 28, 2023 Share #65 Posted October 28, 2023 vor 5 Stunden schrieb nthomas: Besides multiple bugs or problems is there anyone notice any color difference before and after the firmware upgrade? I think this is one crucial point that most people will concern about, especilally for Leica users No color changes. I regret this because the magentacast was not eliminated. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 28, 2023 Share #66 Posted October 28, 2023 vor 5 Stunden schrieb nthomas: I think this is one crucial point that most people will concern about, especilally for Leica users Regarding "coulour differences" you wrote the above. I am not sure if Leica users in general wish a different colour look compared to the actual rendering. There are quite a lot of advantages to how it is now. Of course I follow the whole discussion here too. Lets take the Q3 that renders the colors quite differently. But it is much easier (to me) to adapt colors of the M11 compared to the Q3. Its aczually interesting not to read similar Q3 discussions. To me its a question of taste but as well of what you usually photograph. I see absolute advantages in the actual rendering (white balance) of the M11. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted October 28, 2023 Share #67 Posted October 28, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, LikameLeica said: Finally the most frustrating issue for me has been resolved. The ability to turn off touch display in Live View and therefore avoid the issue of focus magnification point get accidentally moved to various points on the screen. How? In menu select Customize Control, then select Touch Mode, then select the option Off (LV mode) Once enabled touch is disabled on the back LCD display while in Live View LV. Thank you Leica developers for this new feature!! If you prefer to leave the touch screen enabled on Live View, you can alternatively program one of the function button to Center Frame. This will allow you to quickly recenter the focus magnification point to the center. Not sure why leica refuses to have a center-fixed selector, not only on M but on SL2 too. They develop a complicated workaround when it can be so easy. I have not tested the spot meter, Is it that not longer moving too? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 28, 2023 Share #68 Posted October 28, 2023 vor 2 Minuten schrieb Photoworks: Not sure why leica refuses to have a center-fixed selector, not only on M but on SL2 too. They develop a complicated workaround when it can be so easy. I have not tested the spot meter, Is it that not longer moving too? It is easy. Just turn LV off and on and focus and spot meter are centered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 28, 2023 Share #69 Posted October 28, 2023 vor 15 Minuten schrieb M11 for me: Regarding "coulour differences" you wrote the above. I am not sure if Leica users in general wish a different colour look compared to the actual rendering. There are quite a lot of advantages to how it is now. Of course I follow the whole discussion here too. Lets take the Q3 that renders the colors quite differently. But it is much easier (to me) to adapt colors of the M11 compared to the Q3. Its aczually interesting not to read similar Q3 discussions. To me its a question of taste but as well of what you usually photograph. I see absolute advantages in the actual rendering (white balance) of the M11. Take a look at these pictures. In one, the magentacast is obvious. I deliberately did not remove it, I find it very noticeable. Most of the time it doesn't bother me, sometimes (especially in artificial light) it's even good, but values of +21 in tint in Lightroom seem too high to me. I think +10 would be a good compromise. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 28, 2023 Share #70 Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) Thank you Elmar. I know that thread and saw your Wetzlar inages. Of course 👍 Probably I argue a bit in a different corner. I want to put it like this: All images that I shoot I edit in post in a way that they should finally look as I saw (or rather remember) the sceen. I own 3 cameras. My everyday camera is the M11 with 28mm. Then I have the Q3 and Canon R5. The Q3 gets same use as the M11 (my wife likes the Q3). The canon on the other hand is my "professional" camera (I am a hobbyist though but it often happens that I get assignements here and there: Here my Canon gear comes in and mainly in such pro situations) When I think of my aim in Lightroom Classic to get images that look very natual (how the sceene was) then - the R5 gives me very good results and its very easy to correct colours or white balance in LR - the M11 for hiking taking landscape ot travel (towns, architecture) gives me very satisfying rendering and its easy to adapt colours in Lightroom Classic - the Q3 get similar use as the M11 but to my liking (in many cases but not all) it takes me much too long to get the colours "right" in Lightroom. The Q3 is my problem child. Q2 already was. My conclusion: Colorwise all cameras render differently. I am aware that I have - in lots of cases - to adapt colours in post anyway. M11 is a camera that makes it easy to me to work with the DNG material. So my point is not so much wether it has a magenta cast but what I can do with the ooc material and how easy it is. This might all be very personal. But I like the rendering of the M11. On the other hand I can accept that other users like to have a different colour rendering. A last point: Often my wife and myself we sit in front of the Mac and select images that we want to keep and work on in Lightroom (the others we eventually delete). Then she often jumps on a specific image (in a mixed bunch of Q3 and M11 images) and says: Beautiful colors; that is certainly from M11 😉. And often it really is from M11. Edited October 28, 2023 by M11 for me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 28, 2023 Share #71 Posted October 28, 2023 I see Your point. I mostly like the colors of the M11 too. But for many the magentacast is too extreme. Leica should take it a bit down as a compromise (but not to 0 like it is with Nikon). And, most important: All Leicas should have nearly the same color rendition. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted October 28, 2023 Share #72 Posted October 28, 2023 5 hours ago, chioque said: Update. It’s not the firmware which was the issue. I am now at Leica Store Kuala Lumpur, and the camera itself is not detecting any lens. Even the coded ones, even when manually choosing the lens type. My camera just came back from Germany after 6 monts of servicing. Now Leica here wants to sent it back for servicing first to Singapore, and if they cannot resolve it then to Germany again 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ I am totally and utterly disappointed. I asked if they can replace the camera instead of repairing the second time, but Leica here says they cannot Similar problem to some, and in particular a friend of mine, shutter failed to open, sent back to germany, but hopefully yours is different matter can sort out quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommi Posted October 28, 2023 Share #73 Posted October 28, 2023 After firmware upgrade I noticed that all the DNGs look now very contrasty compared to the photos taken with 1.6.1 version. I had to tweak Iridient Developer (v4.1) camera profile to match the straight-out-of-camera JPGs. I set RAW White Level to 245 (default is 250) and Saturation to +3. Then I had to lower almost all points on the Camera Curve and increase Gamma from 1.00 to 1.19 I took multiple test shots inside and outside (cloudy weather) as well as slightly under- and over-exposed, and correctly exposured photos to see how they act with these settings. This Camera Preset now matches quite well the JPGs the camera produces. Just wondering, I think the same look can be achieved in a multiple combinations of different settings, hope I don't screw things for some circumstances... Oh, btw, the white levels from the SOOC JPGs are a bit dull in my opinion..? I think the in-camera curve profile must be quite flat on the higher end, I have a slight boost there in my Iridient profile. I haven't never ever before noticed this kind of change in the raw files in any camera after firmware upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted October 28, 2023 Share #74 Posted October 28, 2023 vor 2 Stunden schrieb elmars: I see Your point. I mostly like the colors of the M11 too. But for many the magentacast is too extreme. Leica should take it a bit down as a compromise (but not to 0 like it is with Nikon). And, most important: All Leicas should have nearly the same color rendition. I don't know where you got that information about Nikon from. When I import files from my Z9, tint is mostly between 12 and 25 in Lightoom. But you cannot compare these numbers between Nikon and Leica, because the files from my Z9 do not show magenta cast! The colours I get from my Z9 are very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 28, 2023 Share #75 Posted October 28, 2023 I tried a Z9 and a D800 from a friend with fixed whitebalance to sunlight. Tint was 0 in both cases. Far too green in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianforber Posted October 28, 2023 Share #76 Posted October 28, 2023 Before updating, could someone confirm that the camera will still work with uncoded lenses. I have a 35mm CV lens which I have told the camera is a 35mm Summicron via the menu rather than painting black and white dots on the lens itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 28, 2023 Share #77 Posted October 28, 2023 My uncoded Summaron 2,8/35 works as a Summicron 35. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianforber Posted October 28, 2023 Share #78 Posted October 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, elmars said: My uncoded Summaron 2,8/35 works as a Summicron 35. Thank you, very helpful and puts my mind at ease about updating the firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 28, 2023 Share #79 Posted October 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, elmars said: My uncoded Summaron 2,8/35 works as a Summicron 35. What did you do for that? Selecting a lens profile? Hand coding the lens? Doing nothing? If so, how did the camera recognize a 35mm lens? Just to understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 28, 2023 Share #80 Posted October 28, 2023 I selected the lens profile for the Summicron. And every time I put the Summaron on it it is recognized as the Summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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