MediaFotografie Posted June 1, 2023 Share #121 Posted June 1, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...a short question about wireless charging: Does it work with the old battery BP-SCL4 or does it need the new BP-SCL6? In my case there still some old batteries going back to 2015 from SL 601, which are usefull until now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted June 1, 2023 Share #122 Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) Anyone know whether a slimline polariser is needed to fit inside the standard rectangular aperture hood or can a standard one be use. I would want to use a B+W Kasemann MRC Nano Master circular polarising filter for three reasons: 1) I have had very satisfactory results from them in the past, with various Leica lenses and digital cameras, SL, CL, M240 and M10-R. 2) They only reduce available light by around 1.5 EV compared with up to 4 EV for some more heavily polarised filters and 3) Given their relatively mild polarisation, they are not particularly sensitive to filter angle, which is important with the shape that the Q3's 28mm Summilux hood has, as it would be quite difficult to adjust without removing. I normally set these Kasemann filters to "12 O'Clock" unless it is early in the morning or late in the evening, when I might adjust for sun angle. Wilson PS That filter is 7mm deep, so a UK shop has recommended I go for the Hoya 49mm HD Nano MKII CIR-PL filter instead which is only 5mm deep. It is also only about half the price of the B+W which is a bonus, except I may find it is buy cheap; buy twice. W Edited June 1, 2023 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 1, 2023 Share #123 Posted June 1, 2023 The Q3 works just fine on the older BP-SCL4 batteries. I used one of my old SL601 batteries while charging up the new SCL6 battery. Due to age and smaller capacity, the older batteries seem to run down at least the indicated first bar of life, noticeably quicker than the SCL6 battery. Wilson 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanD Posted June 1, 2023 Share #124 Posted June 1, 2023 20 hours ago, jplotkin said: Thanks for the extremely useful technical details, Alan. Good to know that, as a result, there may indeed be a true Leica look, not possible in post, due to Bayer construction. (my score was 0) Better stated, there is a Leica Q2 look. Here's the next problem. I also score a perfect zero. This is a blessing and a curse. The color test you took is a digital version of the FM100. The real one requires controlled lighting and controlled paint chips, etc. In a study of 160 Finnish people, all with "normal" vision, this was the score distribution Normal test scores in the Farnsworth–Munsell 100 hue test | SpringerLink Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Not a single person in that study got a perfect score. That means, you'd be >99th percentile in color precision. In US based populations. What Does My Score on the Farnsworth Munsell 100 Hue Test Mean? | Munsell Color System; Color Matching from Munsell Color Company Unselected shows the errors which may be expected from each percentile of an unselected group of people aged 15 to 45. In-Plant Applications represent 300 tests of employees applying for promotion to positions of color control in a paint manufacturing plant – shader trainees, laboratory testers and laboratory technicians. Experienced is compiled from tests on 150 personnel with three to 20 years experience in control labs of manufacturers of dyes, rugs, plastics, textiles and paints. The personnel includes shaders, matchers, mixers, inspectors, passers, dyers and titration testers. This means that score 0 puts you about two standard deviations above the average person working in color control at paint manufacturing, and one standard deviation above the average experienced lab personnel in precision dye manufacturing! You can appreciate colors in a way others might not easily appreciate. Yay. A gift of genetics. It's also a curse though. Think about how a camera manufacturer has to design products. They're not designing for you and me. 1) Mis-focused images (when the artistic intent was to be in focus) can be seen by everyone 2) Noise/grain, especially with pixel peeping, can be seen by everyone 3) Seeing the residual color difference after manipulation in Lightroom/C1 is something maybe 10% of the total addressable market can see. And of those who can see the difference, maybe even fewer *care* about the subtle color differences because the true artistic intent is largely captured/conveyed in the subject/composition. So, the Q3 which has superior AF, superior noise, superior ergonomics like USB-C charging or wireless charging is going to be great to everyone. To the vast majority of the world, there is no difference in color after running it through Lightroom or C1. Meanwhile, the few of us with really good color discrimination look at the Q3 and we don't "love" the colors -- but this means we need to use a camera with no USB-C port, worse AF, and worse noise performance. 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Not a single person in that study got a perfect score. That means, you'd be >99th percentile in color precision. In US based populations. What Does My Score on the Farnsworth Munsell 100 Hue Test Mean? | Munsell Color System; Color Matching from Munsell Color Company Unselected shows the errors which may be expected from each percentile of an unselected group of people aged 15 to 45. In-Plant Applications represent 300 tests of employees applying for promotion to positions of color control in a paint manufacturing plant – shader trainees, laboratory testers and laboratory technicians. Experienced is compiled from tests on 150 personnel with three to 20 years experience in control labs of manufacturers of dyes, rugs, plastics, textiles and paints. The personnel includes shaders, matchers, mixers, inspectors, passers, dyers and titration testers. This means that score 0 puts you about two standard deviations above the average person working in color control at paint manufacturing, and one standard deviation above the average experienced lab personnel in precision dye manufacturing! You can appreciate colors in a way others might not easily appreciate. Yay. A gift of genetics. It's also a curse though. Think about how a camera manufacturer has to design products. They're not designing for you and me. 1) Mis-focused images (when the artistic intent was to be in focus) can be seen by everyone 2) Noise/grain, especially with pixel peeping, can be seen by everyone 3) Seeing the residual color difference after manipulation in Lightroom/C1 is something maybe 10% of the total addressable market can see. And of those who can see the difference, maybe even fewer *care* about the subtle color differences because the true artistic intent is largely captured/conveyed in the subject/composition. So, the Q3 which has superior AF, superior noise, superior ergonomics like USB-C charging or wireless charging is going to be great to everyone. To the vast majority of the world, there is no difference in color after running it through Lightroom or C1. Meanwhile, the few of us with really good color discrimination look at the Q3 and we don't "love" the colors -- but this means we need to use a camera with no USB-C port, worse AF, and worse noise performance. 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AlanD Posted June 1, 2023 Share #125 Posted June 1, 2023 Hopefully it's not a violation to just post the screenshots from DXOMark. This is what I'm talking about the sensor precision. A Leica Monochrom will have equal response in all three. The Q2 sensor has very little crosstalk, which means the raw data has a lot of color discrimination. Leica M11 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica Q2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica Q2 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/377410-new-leica-q3-with-60-mp-bsi-sensor/?do=findComment&comment=4785012'>More sharing options...
jplotkin Posted June 1, 2023 Share #126 Posted June 1, 2023 Thanks, Alan. Do you have data on Q3 sensor from DXOMark (presumably it will be very close to M11)? Agreed: poor focus and noise are more obvious concerns than inaccurate colors, for most users. But the Q2 autofocus works well for me, even for action shots taken at 1/1000. And I've seen nothing yet to show that in practice the Q3 is better (with current firmware). Regarding noise and high ISO: I'm *shocked* by the quality and convenience of the new AI de-noise algorithm in Adobe Lightroom. It's so good that I will consider using it for any image >800 ISO from my Q2, and would likely any such image from the Q3 too. (Note that the resulting de-noised DNG files are much larger, which suggests that the algorithm is actually inventing data, which feels wrong, but looks great.) For me, the actual appeal of Q3 is the convenience/stealth of a tilting LCD. And I'm simultaneously repulsed by this feature, too, because I love the slick Q2 ergonomics (and color). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2023 Share #127 Posted June 1, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 minutes ago, jplotkin said: ......(Note that the resulting de-noised DNG files are much larger, which suggests that the algorithm is actually inventing data, which feels wrong, but looks great.)... The de-noised DNG is a de-mosaiced "Linear DNG" version of the DNG generated by the camera. It is quite normal for the linear DNG to be much greater than the DNG from camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanD Posted June 1, 2023 Share #128 Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, jplotkin said: Thanks, Alan. Do you have data on Q3 sensor from DXOMark (presumably it will be very close to M11)? DXOMark hasn't tested the Q3 yet. You cannot access these charts from DXOMark's mobile website unless you manually enter the -7 measurements tab, but it's part of the routine desktop website under the measurements. Yes, that's the assumption. (That the RAW sensor performance of the M11 and Q3 are similar even if the JPEG engines are different with "Leica Looks"). You can see that the Panasonic S1R is slightly worse than the Q2. This may be random sampling between "similar" sensors, or just like CPUs, there are good and bad sensors, and the Q2 is using the more expensive sensors. I have seen that the S1R is better than the Q2 at noise performance... Panasonic S1R Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ---------------------- What is tricky is that if you look at something like the Canon EOS R3 or 1DX Mark III that the red/green is really blurred. Many people have said this contributes to the Canon skin tones since it makes the blotchiness of red/green sort of blur away. In this case, the inability to capture the fine wrinkles/skintone irregularities gets subtly lost. and that's actually how the Leica M9 looked too. The reds are famously unique on the M9 and that's because, potentially like film, it's not a clean red and is enhanced in software Edited June 1, 2023 by AlanD 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ---------------------- What is tricky is that if you look at something like the Canon EOS R3 or 1DX Mark III that the red/green is really blurred. Many people have said this contributes to the Canon skin tones since it makes the blotchiness of red/green sort of blur away. In this case, the inability to capture the fine wrinkles/skintone irregularities gets subtly lost. and that's actually how the Leica M9 looked too. The reds are famously unique on the M9 and that's because, potentially like film, it's not a clean red and is enhanced in software ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/377410-new-leica-q3-with-60-mp-bsi-sensor/?do=findComment&comment=4785140'>More sharing options...
reynoldsyoung Posted June 2, 2023 Share #129 Posted June 2, 2023 On 5/30/2023 at 9:03 AM, ianforber said: No difference. It still shows the frame lines in the viewfinder rather than zooming to show what the cropped jpeg will look like. Not quite the same....after you "zoom" in the frames, at the moment you press the shutter, you get a quick view of the image you just made. The jpg detail at every level is just fantastic!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianforber Posted June 2, 2023 Share #130 Posted June 2, 2023 3 hours ago, reynoldsyoung said: Not quite the same....after you "zoom" in the frames, at the moment you press the shutter, you get a quick view of the image you just made. The jpg detail at every level is just fantastic!! Interesting. Is that regardless of whether you have turned off the image review function? I always turn it off because I don’t want the last image getting in the way of the next one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobers Posted June 2, 2023 Share #131 Posted June 2, 2023 I have to report that I'm really enjoying using my Q3. I previously had a QP but sold that as I thought I couldn't really justify having such an expensive camera. I got an X100V instead, which is a great camera. But I did regret selling the QP. Every now and then I'd come across an image in my library or one of my photo books taken with the QP and they just looked gorgeous. That 28 1.7 is exceptional. The X100V is good, but the Leica is top of the league. So I was hankering for another Q and managed to resist the Q2 using amazing willpower. I say amazing because Dan Cook is a very good friend and he kept rocking up to the pub with a Q2 then a Q2M then another Q2 etc. Now I have a Q3 it's like coming back home. And a huge bonus is the switchable long exposure noise reduction making the Q3 usable for my night photography project that I'm really enjoying. Anyway, make of this what you want. I guess I'm communicating that an inanimate object can provide joy and happiness, for me at least. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 2, 2023 Share #132 Posted June 2, 2023 5 hours ago, ianforber said: Interesting. Is that regardless of whether you have turned off the image review function? I always turn it off because I don’t want the last image getting in the way of the next one! The Q2 does this as well, I have Auto Review set to Shutter Pressed. When I take a shot and keep the button held down, I see the zoomed-in image. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianforber Posted June 2, 2023 Share #133 Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: The Q2 does this as well, I have Auto Review set to Shutter Pressed. When I take a shot and keep the button held down, I see the zoomed-in image. Ah OK. I have all the auto reviews turned off and my Q2 doesn’t show the zoomed in image Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynoldsyoung Posted June 4, 2023 Share #134 Posted June 4, 2023 Any advice on low light settings? To the Q3 to an event last night...after dark, very low tent lighting....images awful. Help!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 4, 2023 Share #135 Posted June 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, reynoldsyoung said: Any advice on low light settings? To the Q3 to an event last night...after dark, very low tent lighting....images awful. Help!! You'll have to give us more info, and post the results. What settings were you using: ISO, shutter speed, aperture, auto-ISO settings? How are you processing the images? Lightroom? Are you using Lightroom AI noise reduction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynoldsyoung Posted June 4, 2023 Share #136 Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: You'll have to give us more info, and post the results. What settings were you using: ISO, shutter speed, aperture, auto-ISO settings? How are you processing the images? Lightroom? Are you using Lightroom AI noise reduction? Yes, iso 800, f4ish 1/8sec, handheld... two images: First dng right out of camera Second image: Processed in Capture One...jpg with big boost in exposure, shadows and brightness Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/377410-new-leica-q3-with-60-mp-bsi-sensor/?do=findComment&comment=4787006'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 4, 2023 Share #137 Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) There are a number of possible problems here: The camera has set the exposure for the artificial lighting not the scene you want to see. You will have to make some manual adjustments to exposure (see below). Your ISO is probably too low for the lighting. The camera may be set to default longest exposure of 1/8 sec, and the scene just needs more exposure. The white balance is way off. If you're shooting raw, you can correct this in post. In your shoes I would have set AutoISO, and set the ISO upper limit at 12500. There are several ways you can proceed. I normally start with AutoISO, aperture priority, set the thumb dial to Exposure Compensation, watch the histogram, and adjust exposure compensation until I have a well-balanced histogram. You can go fully manual, setting shutter, aperture and ISO yourself, but watch the histogram. You can go fully auto (ISO, aperture, shutter), but use centre weighted metering. All the above apply to any digital camera. With the Q2 and, I assume the Q3 (which I don't have), you can set the crop to the central part (e.g. 50-75mm) - make sure the crop box excludes the lights. The metering should then work only on the central figure, not the surrounding lights. The crop function is useful not for cropping, but for controlling where the exposure metering and AF work. As for the white balance, if you get that right, then the background will be very blue! You can do some clever work in Photoshop to selectively mask the foreground and adjust the WB only on that part, but you will have to decide if it is worth the effort. Welcome to the world of mixed lighting! Edited June 4, 2023 by LocalHero1953 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 4, 2023 Share #138 Posted June 4, 2023 For difficult lighting situations, I would always opt for spot exposure and expose for a face, reframing after locking exposure with a half shutter press. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDE-Photo Posted June 4, 2023 Share #139 Posted June 4, 2023 vor 4 Stunden schrieb reynoldsyoung: Yes, iso 800, f4ish 1/8sec, handheld... two images: First dng right out of camera Second image: Processed in Capture One...jpg with big boost in exposure, shadows and brightness Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Why do you go to this extreme in postprocessing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 4, 2023 Share #140 Posted June 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, TDE-Photo said: Why do you go to this extreme in postprocessing? I take it you have a better (more constructive) idea? Please tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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