Leica m11 storage with L - M DNG.

[Rungroj Suppagarn]

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Hello all, I have some problem about storage for my photos sinces I shoot street photography which mean I can come up a day with 100-300 photos even 500 if I go to some big event. I saw the file of L-Dng about 70-120 mb that's a lot of storage I need per year. Should I change to M-dng ? because I think I will never use 60 Mp. I love photobook such as Alex webb, Joel meyerowitz, Melissa o'shaughnessy, Harry gruyaert and etc. They have very great books I think their digital file maybe around 24 Mp. I also have no plan for print my photos bigger than A3-A2 size.

Best regards,

🙂

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[geotrupede]

3 hours ago, Rungroj Suppagarn said:

Hello all, I have some problem about storage for my photos sinces I shoot street photography which mean I can come up a day with 100-300 photos even 500 if I go to some big event. I saw the file of L-Dng about 70-120 mb that's a lot of storage I need per year. Should I change to M-dng ? because I think I will never use 60 Mp. I love photobook such as Alex webb, Joel meyerowitz, Melissa o'shaughnessy, Harry gruyaert and etc. They have very great books I think their digital file maybe around 24 Mp. I also have no plan for print my photos bigger than A3-A2 size.

Best regards,

🙂

Same here, totally aware of how cheap are memory cards and cloud services, I still "like" to keep my raw on a single machine, all backed up (*) but there for me to use at any time and without any external attachment or internet.

It is personal preference, perhaps old school mindset, but it is what it is.

And because of this constraint I am cool to reduce raw size even to 18MP, which in fact is plenty of pixels for most applications.

18 matches my user profile, I can crop, all fine.

I had a 6MP camera for a while, which was then upgraded to 10MP and ended up using 18 for more than ten years now, and it is all fine at that level. for me it is important 'snappier' longer buffer, less heat, more reliability, resolution I am cool at 18.

Lastly, in a world that is going to ashes due to overconsumptions, everything helps, from being more considerate in buying clothes, to the use of fuel, to the reduction of waste in general...   think of terabytes of pictures that one once deleted to keep storage at a minimum, being uploaded, because you never know, to an endless power consuming datacenter...  when we all know that 90% is crap anyway...

G

 

 

(*) with time machine on an external HD

Edited January 30, 2023 by geotrupede

[Rungroj Suppagarn]

3 hours ago, jqian6 said:

is there a question here? After reading your statement, I failed to find a problem.

In today's world, storage is cheap. A USH-I 128G card costing no more $40 can easily last you a couple of days. And a Tera-byte SSD harddrive costs your no more than $100, or a 2TB cloud storage costs you no more than $10 a month, where you can transfer your pictures to them every other day.

Assume you shoot 365 days a year, 300 pictures a day, each is 200mb. That is roughly 20TB.

So again, what's your problem?

I would like to see members oppinion here whether there prefer L or M dng for strret photo 😀 I used to have broken storage because I was keep it too long about 3-4 years and it cost about 400 usd to recover about 80-90% of data.

 

here my some photos from M240 and M10... Shot a lot 🥰

 

 

 

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[jakontil]

You will be fine with M Dng which is 36mpx, even the S Dng still suffice some people out there… the added benefits using L Dng obviously when u always crop a lot.. while S Dng might lea ve a lot to be desired… the M seems a better choice

[Corius]

2 hours ago, Rungroj Suppagarn said:

I would like to see members oppinion here whether there prefer L or M dng for strret photo 😀 I used to have broken storage because I was keep it too long about 3-4 years and it cost about 400 usd to recover about 80-90% of data.

 

Your problem isn't the size of your files, it's your lack of a backup strategy.

[Rungroj Suppagarn]

28 minutes ago, Corius said:

Your problem isn't the size of your files, it's your lack of a backup strategy.

Can you please suggest your backup strategy for me sir ? I would love to hear other member suggestion. 

[Rungroj Suppagarn]

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2 hours ago, jakontil said:

You will be fine with M Dng which is 36mpx, even the S Dng still suffice some people out there… the added benefits using L Dng obviously when u always crop a lot.. while S Dng might lea ve a lot to be desired… the M seems a better choice

Thank you .🥰 I think so when I dont crop my photo I should go for M but maybe for landscape I will go for L. 

[Corius]

55 minutes ago, Rungroj Suppagarn said:

Can you please suggest your backup strategy for me sir ? I would love to hear other member suggestion. 

Hi,

Well, at the very least you should regularly back up all your important files to at least one other SSD, and store it somewhere away from your house if possible. An alternative is to store them in the cloud.

That will give you a copy that you can use in an emergency, but it will be only be valid on the day that you made the backup. If you do that once a week, for example, you will lose at most one week of data. You also need to keep multiple backups so that if you find that you deleted a file a year ago and need now, it will still be available somewhere in your backup disk(s)

That approach, while simple, needs manual attention and will eventually consume a lot of SSD space, and it also won't allow you to go back to an arbitrary point in time which is what you really need. To do that there are many commercial solutions. Apple has Time Machine for example, or there are online services that you can purchase that do the backup automatically and also minimise the amount of disk space that your backups will use. These  use an "incremental" backup strategy and provide a user interface that makes it much easier to find old files when necessary. They also allow the easy restore of files when needed

[ianforber]

I always use L-DNG  because I almost always crop the image, sometimes significantly so. I also cull my images ruthlessly so few make it past initial review and storage is therefore not a worry. All my files are kept on an external hard drive with copies on other external hard drives. I do need to sort out an online backup too but haven’t yet got around to it, although my favourite shots are in Apple Photos as JPEGs 

[SrMi]

4 hours ago, Rungroj Suppagarn said:

Can you please suggest your backup strategy for me sir ? I would love to hear other member suggestion. 

My backup strategy:

a) TimeMachine

b) External disk (18TB) to backup everything once a month

c) Backblaze.

[SrMi]

4 hours ago, Rungroj Suppagarn said:

Thank you .🥰 I think so when I dont crop my photo I should go for M but maybe for landscape I will go for L. 

The problem is that cropping is often a decision made in the post, not during the shoot.

[dpitt]

7 hours ago, Corius said:

Hi,

Well, at the very least you should regularly back up all your important files to at least one other SSD, and store it somewhere away from your house if possible. An alternative is to store them in the cloud.

That will give you a copy that you can use in an emergency, but it will be only be valid on the day that you made the backup. If you do that once a week, for example, you will lose at most one week of data. You also need to keep multiple backups so that if you find that you deleted a file a year ago and need now, it will still be available somewhere in your backup disk(s)

That approach, while simple, needs manual attention and will eventually consume a lot of SSD space, and it also won't allow you to go back to an arbitrary point in time which is what you really need. To do that there are many commercial solutions. Apple has Time Machine for example, or there are online services that you can purchase that do the backup automatically and also minimise the amount of disk space that your backups will use. These  use an "incremental" backup strategy and provide a user interface that makes it much easier to find old files when necessary. They also allow the easy restore of files when needed

Almost the same as mine. I do not use SSD's however, just normal HDD. Backing up more than 10 TB would require 30 TB of SSD's which can get expensive. It is important for your backup drives to be not running all the time:

1. They last longer
2. They consume less energy (environment...)
3. If you use redundancy schemes, and some hacker or virus attack hits, your backups will be safe.

So if you have 1 TB to backup, I would need 2x 1TB external HDD (disk A and DiskB)

1. Set up free cloud storage like Google Photos or iCloud with reduced size Jpegs, this runs continuously. In your case you probably need to pay a low fee if you want to backup all.
2. Every day, I would plug in disk A (daily backup of all my images in full size DNG)
3. Every week I plug in disk B (weekly full backup)
4. Every year (or more often if you choose) I give disk A with all my pictures and projects to date to a friend or family member to keep safe.
   In case of fire, flooding, theft... I will have lost only one year max.
   (I use online storage for backup of my jpegs in reduced resolution anyway)
   Disk A is replaced by a bigger one and is now fresh so it will last better.

This works sort of for me for the last 20 years. (sometimes I get lazy and the intervals slip)

Edited January 30, 2023 by dpitt

[chris7273]

17 hours ago, ianforber said:

(...) I also cull my images ruthlessly so few make it past initial review and storage is therefore not a worry. (...)

That's my solution, too. 

We all have different needs and I don't question the need to keep several hundreds photos taken in one day.

As far as I'm concerned, I've always been "frugal" when shooting because I started photography as a student (late eighties), and therefore broke by definition. The cost of film and development was such that I asked myself many questions before pressing the shutter button. Moreover, I don't like to spend a lot of time selecting the pictures and having to choose "THE" picture among 36 others almost identical. 
With digital photography, I have kept these habits even if, inevitably, I have fun taking many more pictures. But at the end of the day, if I have 10 pictures I'm really proud of, it means "a good day" and 90 others will end up in the bin without regret.

 

Edited January 31, 2023 by chris7273

[lct]

I don't crop or little and never print large so i tend to use 36mp when i don't plan heavy works in PP. Allows me to send smaller files to my relatives and to work more or less the same way as with my 42mp Sony. YMMV.