Thoughts from owners of these three 50mm options please!

[M11 for me]

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vor 3 Stunden schrieb Kiwimac:

it sees in B&W in the EVF

Re to you Q2-M statement: If you use an EVF or the back screen on your M10-R then you can see in B&W as well without having to shoot JPG (just stay with your DNG). How does that work? Set the JPG settings in the camera menu to B&W: Then in the Visoflex or back screen you see the world in B&W 👍

Edited January 23, 2023 by M11 for me

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[Kiwimac]

So. I placed the order today. 
 

i ordered the 50mm Summilux Asph in the normal black version. 
 

In the end, I felt that the extra stop and a bit more character rather than perfection suited my work better as a starting point. 
 

It will be dispatched tomorrow. 

[ELAN]

You made the right choice. You will love it.

[lct]

8 hours ago, Kiwimac said:

i ordered the 50mm Summilux Asph [...]

By a short head so to speak .

[IkarusJohn]

9 hours ago, Kiwimac said:

So. I placed the order today. 
 

i ordered the 50mm Summilux Asph in the normal black version. 
 

In the end, I felt that the extra stop and a bit more character rather than perfection suited my work better as a starting point. 
 

It will be dispatched tomorrow. 

I think that’s a great choice.

My first lens with my M9 was a 35 Summicron ASPH - never gelled with it.  50mm lenses were kit lenses that came with cameras back in the day, and never made it out of the box.  Then I was offered a 50 Summilux ASPH in silver - heavy, but lovely.  Not a lens I would ever sell.  It is APO and has a floating lens element - this can make the focus tab stiff, but it frees up with use.  Mine is buttery smooth.

Having scratched the 50 itch, I’ve added a few more fifties (this really is like a crack addiction, so be careful)!

I’ve settled on 4 fifties:

• 50 Noctilux 0.95 - this is almost indistinguishable from the 50 Summilux ASPH, save for the extra stops.  It has better bokeh than the f/1 Noctilux, and seems to be better corrected.  So, I would take either the 50/1.4 or 50/0.95 as a standard 50, as I’m not bothered by the weight or the viewfinder blockage.  I do tend to use the Noctilux more on my SL, as the balance is better and focusing easier.
• 50 Summilux ASPH silver chrome - it has its flaws, but it is a lovely lens.
• APO 50 Summicron ASPH black chrome - I love the black chrome version of this lens.  Lots of talk of “transparent” and “clinical”, which frankly I don’t buy at all.  I see no benefit in off-centre focus and sharpness fall-off (look at the charts).  What sells me on this lens is that, while it’s sharp, the out of focus areas are so smooth.  Much as I love the other lenses, this one will be in my pocket if the bankruptcy bailiffs come calling.
• 50/2 Summitar LTM - this lens is a coated lens from 1948, with the extra aperture blades, making for round bokeh balls.  It was cheap as chips, and satisfied my urge to have a vintage look (I had considered an f/1 Noctilux, but the price was over the top).  Its out of focus treatment can be wild - much like the f/1 Noctilux, and I assume the f/1.2 (haven’t tried it).  It cost me about NZD700, so low risk.

Not sure if this helps you.  The 50 Summilux ASPH is a lens you won’t regret buying.  Your next will be interesting.  I should add that I use a 1.4x magnifier with my 50s.

I have the original Monochrom, and it is not a camera I would consider selling.  If you’re into balck and white photography, then the Monochroms are fantastic cameras.  I’m not such a fan of the direction of the M11 series of cameras (it will be interesting to see where the variants head) - if I had to replace my Monochrom, then the M10-M would be top of my list.

I’m not sure where you live, but if you’re ever in Auckland, you’re welcome to try my lenses.

Cheers
John

 

[Kiwimac]

6 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

I think that’s a great choice.

My first lens with my M9 was a 35 Summicron ASPH - never gelled with it.  50mm lenses were kit lenses that came with cameras back in the day, and never made it out of the box.  Then I was offered a 50 Summilux ASPH in silver - heavy, but lovely.  Not a lens I would ever sell.  It is APO and has a floating lens element - this can make the focus tab stiff, but it frees up with use.  Mine is buttery smooth.

Having scratched the 50 itch, I’ve added a few more fifties (this really is like a crack addiction, so be careful)!

I’ve settled on 4 fifties:

• 50 Noctilux 0.95 - this is almost indistinguishable from the 50 Summilux ASPH, save for the extra stops.  It has better bokeh than the f/1 Noctilux, and seems to be better corrected.  So, I would take either the 50/1.4 or 50/0.95 as a standard 50, as I’m not bothered by the weight or the viewfinder blockage.  I do tend to use the Noctilux more on my SL, as the balance is better and focusing easier.
• 50 Summilux ASPH silver chrome - it has its flaws, but it is a lovely lens.
• APO 50 Summicron ASPH black chrome - I love the black chrome version of this lens.  Lots of talk of “transparent” and “clinical”, which frankly I don’t buy at all.  I see no benefit in off-centre focus and sharpness fall-off (look at the charts).  What sells me on this lens is that, while it’s sharp, the out of focus areas are so smooth.  Much as I love the other lenses, this one will be in my pocket if the bankruptcy bailiffs come calling.
• 50/2 Summitar LTM - this lens is a coated lens from 1948, with the extra aperture blades, making for round bokeh balls.  It was cheap as chips, and satisfied my urge to have a vintage look (I had considered an f/1 Noctilux, but the price was over the top).  Its out of focus treatment can be wild - much like the f/1 Noctilux, and I assume the f/1.2 (haven’t tried it).  It cost me about NZD700, so low risk.

Not sure if this helps you.  The 50 Summilux ASPH is a lens you won’t regret buying.  Your next will be interesting.  I should add that I use a 1.4x magnifier with my 50s.

I have the original Monochrom, and it is not a camera I would consider selling.  If you’re into balck and white photography, then the Monochroms are fantastic cameras.  I’m not such a fan of the direction of the M11 series of cameras (it will be interesting to see where the variants head) - if I had to replace my Monochrom, then the M10-M would be top of my list.

I’m not sure where you live, but if you’re ever in Auckland, you’re welcome to try my lenses.

Cheers
John

 

Thanks. I’m about 45 minutes outside Chch but I do come up to the Wild North from time to time!

 

I considered silver but I picked black because the silver ones are still brass and that extra weight will add up eventually. 
 

My next one? Possibly the Apo 75 or a 28. I like that tiny Summaron for the fun factor but it’s kind of a sunny day lens due to the f5.6 limitation. 
 

I like the rendering of the 1.2 Noctilux new release but that’s probably a bit too similar to the Summilux. 

[Knipsknecht]

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb Kiwimac:

[...] I like the rendering of the 1.2 Noctilux new release but that’s probably a bit too similar to the Summilux. 

Actually, I think wide open both lenses are very far apart. At f4 and above the difference might not be so obvious (at leat in the centre of a pic.

[Lelmer]

On 1/25/2023 at 10:55 AM, Kiwimac said:

So. I placed the order today. 
 

i ordered the 50mm Summilux Asph in the normal black version. 
 

In the end, I felt that the extra stop and a bit more character rather than perfection suited my work better as a starting point. 
 

It will be dispatched tomorrow. 

Greta choice, you will not regret your decision

[Kiwimac]

On 1/26/2023 at 8:41 AM, IkarusJohn said:

I think that’s a great choice.

My first lens with my M9 was a 35 Summicron ASPH - never gelled with it.  50mm lenses were kit lenses that came with cameras back in the day, and never made it out of the box.  Then I was offered a 50 Summilux ASPH in silver - heavy, but lovely.  Not a lens I would ever sell.  It is APO and has a floating lens element - this can make the focus tab stiff, but it frees up with use.  Mine is buttery smooth.

Having scratched the 50 itch, I’ve added a few more fifties (this really is like a crack addiction, so be careful)!

I’ve settled on 4 fifties:

• 50 Noctilux 0.95 - this is almost indistinguishable from the 50 Summilux ASPH, save for the extra stops.  It has better bokeh than the f/1 Noctilux, and seems to be better corrected.  So, I would take either the 50/1.4 or 50/0.95 as a standard 50, as I’m not bothered by the weight or the viewfinder blockage.  I do tend to use the Noctilux more on my SL, as the balance is better and focusing easier.
• 50 Summilux ASPH silver chrome - it has its flaws, but it is a lovely lens.
• APO 50 Summicron ASPH black chrome - I love the black chrome version of this lens.  Lots of talk of “transparent” and “clinical”, which frankly I don’t buy at all.  I see no benefit in off-centre focus and sharpness fall-off (look at the charts).  What sells me on this lens is that, while it’s sharp, the out of focus areas are so smooth.  Much as I love the other lenses, this one will be in my pocket if the bankruptcy bailiffs come calling.
• 50/2 Summitar LTM - this lens is a coated lens from 1948, with the extra aperture blades, making for round bokeh balls.  It was cheap as chips, and satisfied my urge to have a vintage look (I had considered an f/1 Noctilux, but the price was over the top).  Its out of focus treatment can be wild - much like the f/1 Noctilux, and I assume the f/1.2 (haven’t tried it).  It cost me about NZD700, so low risk.

Not sure if this helps you.  The 50 Summilux ASPH is a lens you won’t regret buying.  Your next will be interesting.  I should add that I use a 1.4x magnifier with my 50s.

I have the original Monochrom, and it is not a camera I would consider selling.  If you’re into balck and white photography, then the Monochroms are fantastic cameras.  I’m not such a fan of the direction of the M11 series of cameras (it will be interesting to see where the variants head) - if I had to replace my Monochrom, then the M10-M would be top of my list.

I’m not sure where you live, but if you’re ever in Auckland, you’re welcome to try my lenses.

Cheers
John

 

How helpful do you find the magnifier? They’re pretty hard to get - even B&H has none. 

[IkarusJohn]

Well, it depends on your eyesight, I guess.  For 50mm and 75mm on my Monochrom, it’s invaluable when using wide open apertures on the Noctilux and the Summilux.

However, if you’re using the cameras with the increased eye-relief (M10 and M11 series cameras), the magnifiers don’t fit the eye-piece … not sure if Leica has made a larger magnifier.

[Kiwimac]

Yes it is remarkably good value in Leica terms. 
 

It will probably get paired eventually with a 28 Lux which costs almost double!

[EJS73]

I have both the apo summicron and the summilux 50, and over time grew to prefer the 'lux for the extra stop and very nice balance on the m11. I've been considering selling the apo to help fund a 28mm summilux but have not been able to pull the trigger. 

[IkarusJohn]

55 minutes ago, Kiwimac said:

Yes it is remarkably good value in Leica terms. 
 

It will probably get paired eventually with a 28 Lux which costs almost double!

A bgreat combination …

[Kiwimac]

8 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

A bgreat combination …

Yes. Then I’ll need another body.  And a divorce lawyer. 

[didier]

On 1/29/2023 at 10:04 AM, IkarusJohn said:

if you’re using the cameras with the increased eye-relief (M10 and M11 series cameras), the magnifiers don’t fit the eye-piece … not sure if Leica has made a larger magnifier.

I don’t think there is a larger magnifier, but you can get an adapter to use the magnifiers (1.25* or 1.4*) on the M10/M11.

My dealer gave one to me when I bought the M10M (he had to order the adapter in Wetzlar,  not sure it is very common) as I shoot often with the 1.4* (I am mostly a 50 shooter, and my second most used FL is 75mm), so the magnifier is very useful.

[dugby]

On 1/26/2023 at 10:16 AM, Kiwimac said:

Thanks. I’m about 45 minutes outside Chch but I do come up to the Wild North from time to time!

 

Do you live in Akaroa ?

 

Don’t tell anyone about the macarons there….

[Kiwimac]

2 hours ago, dugby said:

Do you live in Akaroa ?

 

Don’t tell anyone about the macarons there….

No. Opposite direction towards the mountains!