Aryel Posted December 17, 2022 Share #61 Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Are you sure you checked the manual properly? Maybe you are supposed to put the camera in a film loading dark bag, open the back door and cock the shutter and repeat for each shot... Jokes aside, I hope they will fix it or replace it for you very quickly. I am planning to buy a new M one day, I'll make sure to follow your advice and test for scratch before paying for it... Edited December 17, 2022 by Aryel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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charlesphoto99 Posted December 17, 2022 Share #62 Posted December 17, 2022 1 hour ago, TheBestSLIsALeicaflex said: Leica often has issues with new bodies. Never be first in line. Absent brand loyalty they's get roasted, but usually the issues can be fixed. Scratching oil though, you'd think they learn from the R8 days. Ah, yes, I recall now owning an R8 that scratched the film. Fun camera to use for the short time I had it other than that. And my new black paint M10-R had a way out of whack rangefinder out of the box. It does seem sometimes that Leica's QC dept only works on Monday mornings... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew01 Posted December 17, 2022 Share #63 Posted December 17, 2022 Huss, that is very disappointing to read. In circumstances like this I would email the CEO directly. https://www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-12132 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted December 17, 2022 Share #64 Posted December 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, andrew01 said: Huss, that is very disappointing to read. In circumstances like this I would email the CEO directly. https://www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-12132 Thanks for that link Andrew, very interesting! As Leica NJ already has it I will first see how that goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted December 17, 2022 Share #65 Posted December 17, 2022 11 hours ago, Sunyforreal said: I know everyone wants the hot newness, but with Leica’s QC as of late (with film bodies)… You haven’t seen the new 35mm FLE II shipped with defective aperture blades? Or when they first shipped the 50 Apo M and forgot to put the anti flare coating inside the lens body? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunyforreal Posted December 17, 2022 Share #66 Posted December 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, Huss said: You haven’t seen the new 35mm FLE II shipped with defective aperture blades? Or when they first shipped the 50 Apo M and forgot to put the anti flare coating inside the lens body? I wasn’t around for the 50 APO situation but I’ve definitely been paying to the FLE II craziness. The big difference is Leica has been making M analog cameras for almost 70 years. Just seems kinda crazy to me to be having issues like scratching film with a new camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted December 17, 2022 Share #67 Posted December 17, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) That why they make 2000 grit wet/dry sandpaper! 😆 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted December 17, 2022 Share #68 Posted December 17, 2022 38 minutes ago, Al Brown said: They have been making M lenses as long as M cameras. Otherwise people would have just been standing around holding camera bodies wondering what they were supposed to do with them. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted December 17, 2022 Share #69 Posted December 17, 2022 Since the 1960s I've used hard black Arkansas stones on problem pressure plates. They are used to sharpen surgical blades and can provide a mirror finish. Probably close to 9,000 grit equivalent. Flat stone on the flat plate keeps it flat and can remove any protrusions that could scratch. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted December 17, 2022 Share #70 Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, TomB_tx said: Since the 1960s I've used hard black Arkansas stones on problem pressure plates. They are used to sharpen surgical blades and can provide a mirror finish. Probably close to 9,000 grit equivalent. Flat stone on the flat plate keeps it flat and can remove any protrusions that could scratch. I could see perhaps using that on an old camera bought used. But this is a brand new fresh out of the box warrantied camera. And some of the scratches appear to come from the pressure plate screws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted December 17, 2022 Share #71 Posted December 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Al Brown said: Well you *could* put the LTM lens on... with full RF coupling at that. We could, but the entertainment factor as a reply would be diminished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted December 17, 2022 Share #72 Posted December 17, 2022 Anyone deciding to get the new M6 should be glad someone bought one and immediately put it to use. Too many times a new release will end up with a collector who may decide to sell it years later after the warranty has expired. Hopefully, Leica will look at this as more than a one time occurrence and make the correction. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted December 17, 2022 Share #73 Posted December 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Musky said: I don’t shoot film. So to make it clear for me, what area are we talking about that can scratch the film? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The most common place seems to be the Film Pressure Plate (see the label at the top left of the photo). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted December 17, 2022 Share #74 Posted December 17, 2022 The pressure plate should actually barely touch the film, as it rests on the outer higher rails and the film rides between these rails on two lower rails making a channel for the film under the plate. I wonder if the height of rails is an issue on the new cameras. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted December 17, 2022 Share #75 Posted December 17, 2022 I've owned a very large number of film cameras over many years and none of them, from cheap to Leica-priced, ever scratched film. The fact that a new Leica would do that is hard to believe and very disappointing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted December 18, 2022 Share #76 Posted December 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Musky said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Pure coincidence. Nothing to see here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted December 18, 2022 Share #77 Posted December 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Musky said: I don’t shoot film. So to make it clear for me, what area are we talking about that can scratch the film? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The current pressure plate in the new M6 has four exposed screws that hold on the pressure plate, and apparently can scratch the film, as it did on mine. The pressure plate in the image above has one big, glorious, screw-less surface. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamj Posted December 18, 2022 Share #78 Posted December 18, 2022 No one has reported Leica MA scratching film what’s that all about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted December 18, 2022 Share #79 Posted December 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, williamj said: No one has reported Leica MA scratching film what’s that all about The M-A is a completely different camera than the MP, using all new M-A specific parts sourced internally to assist in supply side issues. No, wait, that's what Leica said about the M6. Dunno mate, my M-A does not scratch film. I'm actually wondering if there are more Leica film scratchers out there, and it's just that those users do not care thinking it's part of what makes the film imperfect perfections experience so unique.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted December 18, 2022 Share #80 Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Huss said: The current pressure plate in the new M6 has four exposed screws that hold on the pressure plate, and apparently can scratch the film, as it did on mine. The pressure plate in the image above has one big, glorious, screw-less surface. Yeah, My M4 has no visible screws in the pressure plate. My M-A, however, does although it's never scratched film. I wonder when Leica switched to using screws, and why? Edited December 18, 2022 by logan2z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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