We don't need a Q camera with a 35/50/75/whatever lens

[Anakronox]

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13 hours ago, cboy said:

To take advantage of the 60mp that the Q3 will most likely have wouldn't it better to have a fixed telephoto and digital crop to 50/35. In that way you'll have the compression and oof bokeh character alot like in characterising a lens.

With the 28mm I find to get compelling intimate photos, especially in street, one needs to get in their face like less than three feet. YMMV

 

That’s not how cropping works, though.  You can’t un-crop a 50mm fov to a 28 in post.  And I sense that you’re not comfortable getting close for the shot, so it doesn’t sound like a 28mm is a great fit for you.  For those of us that are comfortable, the formula of the existing Q2/Q2M just works.  I’m not opposed to a second Q3 body with a tele as an option, but it would really be a shame if Leica listened to this and dropped the 28.

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[robb]

I don’t think ANYONE is asking to drop the 28…. Great combo

we just want a second version with a longer lens.  Leica can pick but a 50mm f2 would be most obvious choice (based on their history) and to me longer than that would be even better.

I’ll just channel HCB

some of us don’t crop and want the most out of our mp

but it needs to give buyers what the 28 already does well.  Same form factor, Leaf shutter and Ois.

they’ll sell a ton.

Robb

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by robb

[mikeLD]

6 hours ago, Anakronox said:

That’s not how cropping works, though.  You can’t un-crop a 50mm fov to a 28 in post.  And I sense that you’re not comfortable getting close for the shot, so it doesn’t sound like a 28mm is a great fit for you.  For those of us that are comfortable, the formula of the existing Q2/Q2M just works.  I’m not opposed to a second Q3 body with a tele as an option, but it would really be a shame if Leica listened to this and dropped the 28.

Just a note about un-cropping:  The Q2 in crop mode saves the cropped image as a jpeg but if raw is enabled, the original 28mm is saved in the raw file.  Also, if the crop preview mode is enabled (can't remember the exact name in the menu) if the shutter button is held down when the crop shot is taken, the jpeg crop view is displayed until the shutter button is released.  I find this "post shot preview" useful in street shooting to confirm I got what I expected and can quickly take another shot by releasing the shutter button, reframing and shooting again. And as a bonus, for the price of the raw image storage, I still have the full 28mm shot to crop in post.  As an aside, I was a scout helicopter pilot for a couple of decades and a key rule of that job was to "maintain contact" with the target as long as possible, even if it draws fire to you, not unlike street shooting these days.... 

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Edited November 20, 2022 by mikeLD
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[Herr Barnack]

10 hours ago, robb said:

I don’t think ANYONE is asking to drop the 28…. Great combo

we just want a second version with a longer lens.  Leica can pick but a 50mm f2 would be most obvious choice (based on their history) and to me longer than that would be even better.

I’ll just channel HCB

some of us don’t crop and want the most out of our mp

but it needs to give buyers what the 28 already does well.  Same form factor, Leaf shutter and Ois.

they’ll sell a ton.

Robb

 

Exactly. 

With my Q2 or or when using my 21mm, 28mm or 35mm mounted on one of my M cameras, I make myself get close enough to avoid the need to crop and throw out huge chunks of megapixels.  As for the 50mm focal length, I have come to regard it as almost a short tele.  For concert photography, I just can't get close enough to use a 50mm or shorter lens, so the 90 APO Summicron is a lifesaver.

I have no idea if Leica will ever put a Q with a 50mm Summilux lens on the market, but there seems to be a fair amount of interest in such a camera.  I would most likely stick with my Q2 or upgrade to a Q3 with a 28, though.

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by Herr Barnack

[NZDavid]

Not withstanding the fact that re-engineering the camera to accommodate different focal lengths is quite a task, it does seem that the future of Leica is a Q-type camera with interchangeable lenses. 

The Q looks very very good -- but is not yet quite versatile enough.

Another design priority that Leica seems to have overlooked over the last decade or so is size: A compact, capable camera is still highly valued by many. 

[HeinzX]

Besides my SL2 I have just recently bought a Q 2. The reason why is that I do not want to  always carry my SL2 gear with my because of weight and volume, when it is not really  necessary and I only  need very good results with 28 mm and cropping up to 35 mm. What I intend to do in additon and have already done with other photos, is to use a magnification software up to a modest extent, if I want cropping more than to 35 mm. I have 2 different softwares and the results with magnification and cropping afterwards are acceptable if the magnification is not overdone. To double size is not a problem. This might extend my cropping possibilities with the Q2. 

[M11 for me]

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Am 19.11.2022 um 17:10 schrieb Herr Barnack:

Leica will have to offer a Q camera in every focal length from 10mm to 200mm - it's the only way to be sure everyone is happy.

A Q with a 200mm f/1.7 Summilux with macro capability - that would be an uh, "interesting" camera... 😳

I think that Leica should go a new way: You buy a lens (lets say with Fl between 10 and 200mm as you sugest above) and then you get the little body behind that lens for free. This way you can buy a multitude of lenses (as you do with the M) but (and that is the clue) you do not have to change lenses as the body is built in the lens already.

When I think of the price of the Q2 they are actually there already as a 28mm Summilux for the M is even more expensive. A clear indication that the Q body is just an addition to its lens. At no cost. You get it fir free. Gratis. Huuuuuhhhhiiii.

[M11 for me]

I believe that the Q2 is NOT primarily a portrait camera (but it works). For portrait a 50mm would indeed have advantages.

But when I look at myself and think what I use my Q2 for then I see that its mostly landscape, towns and travel. No portraits. For what I use it for the 28mm is a great focal length as Apple found out a few years ago when they launched the first cameras on the mobile phones with 28mm equivalent lens. Mainly for tiwns or architecture 50 is much too narrow.

Fazit: When I want to do portrait (I do a lot of events with shots of people) then I take my Canon R5 with 2 lenses: 50mm f/1.2and 135mm f/2. The eye-Autofocus is extremely fast and precise. Ideal for that kind if work. Before ever the person realises that he/she is photographed I have already pressed the release buton. 

For all other leisure activities I take the 28mm lens on either the Q2 or the M. When I go out with one lens then its probably a 28mm. When I take 2 lenses then its 28 and 50mm on the M and when I want 3 lenses then 21, 35 and 75mm on the M. The rest I do with in-camera croping. The same with the Q2: You can easily crop to 35 or 50mm in-camera. You still have enough data for publishing online or looking at a screen.

Wide angle is fine for me on the Q3. 

[fotografr]

On 11/19/2022 at 2:14 AM, Al Brown said:

I am positive Leica has two focal length versions of Q3's ready for all users to be happy.

Not according to Stefen Daniel. 

[Olaf_ZG]

38 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

We will need to sit this one out and see.

 

Couldn’t they hurry a bit? Would be nice to know at least 😎

[Mikep996]

In the video the guy says that the camera has to "suit the level of people" he's photographing.   DANG, I guess I have to sell my Q2 and pick up a Vest Pocket Kodak. 🥴

 

Re the Q3: why do we need one?.  More MP?  I guess it never stops.  When 24MP cameras appeared it was "all we'll ever need."  Now, every time it goes up, once again it's "all we'll ever need."  Of course, if camera companies said 24 (or whatever) MP really was all that was needed, they would rapidly put themselves out of business so OF COURSE they will continue to add MP.  What else can convince a customer of the need for a new camera nowadays?  In any case, I can't see any change to the Q2 that would encourage me to buy one.  I have no interest in a Q with interchangeable lenses.  I have an M10R with interchangeable lenses- that I almost never use nowadays.  In fact, the only M camera I've shot for a year is my old 1984 M6, for which Leica has just released its first firmware update! 😂

Re Q2 lens(es) - The 28 has always been my favorite wide lens.  In all my years of 35mm photography I owned a 35mm lens once for about 6 months.  I find it too wide for normal and too narrow for wide.  Basically, I think Leica hit it out of the park with the Q2 BUT, Leica's job is to make money and, at some point, they have to produce a Q3 and convince us that we need it!  Frankly, I suspect that if a Q3 was simply a Q2 with a 60MP sensor, that would be "all we'll ever need," and sufficient for sales purposes.  Then the Q4 could have an 80MP sensor which would be "all we'll ever need."  The Q5, a 100MP sensor...etc, etc, etc  

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Mikep996

[Viv]

I am perfectly happy with my Q2, 28mm lens and all.

I cannot imagine any conceivable feature in the Q3 the would induce me to buy one.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Viv

[LocalHero1953]

I am firmly in the "24mp is all we ever need" camp, but.....the point of the Q concept is that it is an alternative digital zoom camera, so more pixels (with that excellent Summilux lens) gives you greater reach. A shuffle from 47mp to 60mp will make zilch practical difference (little more than 10% more pixels on the long edge), while 100mp would add another step in focal length. The Q2 gives a usable 15mp at 50mm. A 100mp sensor would give 13mp at 75 - usable if you are disciplined. The Q3 should have the option to record every shot at no more than 24mp, though. So if you chose the 28mm frame, you would still only get 24mp, not 100mp.

Best of both worlds🙂.

[robb]

I picked up the SL2 and SL2-s because the viewfinder was the first one with great resolution AND refresh rate so that I feel like I am finally looking at real life.  The original SL viewfinder wasn’t there for me.  

I have given my Q-P to my son for his fun “more serious” images.  It’s viewfinder wasn’t great but I liked it’s other features.  I’d add a Q2 for small size and capability but want the better viewfinder found in the SL2 cameras.  I’m fine with the current resolution, OIS and leaf shutter.  Main upgrade to me is the viewfinder advances and better high iso.  I’ll take any bumps to resolution while they are in there… 

and a second version with the longer leaf shutter lens.

great duo of light cameras for me to complement the SL2

Robb

[jsrockit]

Yeah, who is this we? I want a 50mm Q, not a 28mm cropped to 50mm.  I'm not buying a $6000 camera and cropping it down to m43 sensor size.  

[budjames]

Call me old, but how about an M with whatever lens you want to use?

Regards,
Bud James

Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography.

[Herr Barnack]

13 minutes ago, budjames said:

Call me old, but how about an M with whatever lens you want to use?

Regards,
Bud James

Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography.

Then everyone would be happy - what would we bicker about?? 😢

Edited November 26, 2022 by Herr Barnack

[MarkP]

55 minutes ago, jsrockit said:

Yeah, who is this we? I want a 50mm Q, not a 28mm cropped to 50mm.  I'm not buying a $6000 camera and cropping it down to m43 sensor size.  

This is one of the things that has put me off the Q - the progressive sensor cropping with longer focal lengths.

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[viramati]

I had seen this video a while back and he has a great style but the main issue for me is the facial distortion you see in some of the close up portraits at the 28mm. Sometimes this can enhance the power of an image but can be unflattering to the subject. Of course stepping back and using crop mode will mostly solve this but then you will get less subject separation if that is what you are after. I find it works very well in the 35mm crop mode but at 28mm great care is needed

Edited November 26, 2022 by viramati

[cboy]

If the Q3 adopts the 60mp M11 sensor so then what would a Q3 28mm offer from the Q2 apart from higher mega pixel count and differing colour science? Im guessing most Leica users here aren't shooting very large poster size prints or doing major post processing. My understanding is that the point of an digital Leica was for minimal post processing so that raw files are 90% ready to share and so then does it makes the higher pixel count redundant?

But I guess some just want the newest thing on the block for the sake of owning it, which is no problem.

Unless Leica has a new tech Innovation ,which sets it quite apart from the Q2 I can't foresee anything significant...maybe faster AF from an newer processor.

Edited November 26, 2022 by cboy