Peter Hartland Posted December 23, 2022 Share #81 Posted December 23, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have had no problems with Ventura & LR or PS on my MacBook Pro & Mac Studio Ultra however both are using the M1 chipset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Adam Bonn Posted December 23, 2022 Share #82 Posted December 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Peter Hartland said: I have had no problems with Ventura & LR or PS on my MacBook Pro & Mac Studio Ultra however both are using the M1 chipset. Seems that the problem is with FAT/exFAT usage. My MBP is the M1 Pro chipset Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted December 24, 2022 Share #83 Posted December 24, 2022 23 hours ago, Adam Bonn said: I didn't know that so i decided to play it safe... Wasn't really much stress losing some edits, but I'm happier with them! I didn't make a screen shot, but I promise this exact UHS-ii card, in the same exact reader on the exact same MBP scored a write of 8 mb/s and a read of about 100 mb/s on Ventura. I just ran that test again with the Monterey OS Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yeah happy with my MBP again!! (a bit vexed how it writes quicker than it reads!) Also more importantly I imported 70 M10R DNGs into LR and it was as quick as to be expected... with no error messages. It's a bit of a headf*ck er headache to be honest, because I updated to Ventura at the end of October, then bought an M10R on November 10th, so I had some time thinking wow I know the M10R files are bigger than my M10 ones and will be slower, but jeez really this bad? before I sorta realised plenty of folks were having Ventura issues! Now I just need to decide if to use the UHS-ii card which seems to make the camera a bit slower to start, but makes the DNGs about 5 times faster to import, or the UHS-i card that's a bit quicker in the camera! (First world problems as it doesn't really matter either way - a couple of tenths of boot up time won't miss a shot and once the DNGs are on the MBP it doesn't matter how long they took to get there!!!) Mmmmm...that's your internal SSD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Bonn Posted December 24, 2022 Share #84 Posted December 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, Ba Erv said: Mmmmm...that's your internal SSD. Hmmmm shouldn’t be, but those numbers are crazy I’ll re-test it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Bonn Posted December 24, 2022 Share #85 Posted December 24, 2022 ahahaha right you were @Ba Erv Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yeah a bit of a difference, but still better than 8 and 100 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yeah a bit of a difference, but still better than 8 and 100 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/342283-lightroom-and-macos-ventura-13-compatibility/?do=findComment&comment=4613516'>More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted December 24, 2022 Share #86 Posted December 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Adam Bonn said: ahahaha right you were @Ba Erv Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yeah a bit of a difference, but still better than 8 and 100 Yeah, if that was your SD card I want one. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share #87 Posted December 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) And what about external hatd disk drives? Mine run at abou180 MB/s as well (read or write;. I have WD 8TB disks. One for my data inkl. 50'000 Raw files. I woner if I have a problem with the cable which shows now indication of speed. In practice with LR I do not have a real speed problem. But sometimes I have to wait for the disk to react. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted December 25, 2022 Share #88 Posted December 25, 2022 14 hours ago, M11 for me said: And what about external hatd disk drives? Mine run at abou180 MB/s as well (read or write;. I have WD 8TB disks. One for my data inkl. 50'000 Raw files. I woner if I have a problem with the cable which shows now indication of speed. In practice with LR I do not have a real speed problem. But sometimes I have to wait for the disk to react. 180 Mb/s is pretty slow for a hard drive but without knowing the specs it's impossible to tell it's not operating within its normal parameters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share #89 Posted December 25, 2022 Its the Western Digital Elements Desktop 8TB with USB2 / USB3. https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/wd-elements-desktop-8-tb-externe-festplatte-10144863 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted December 25, 2022 Share #90 Posted December 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, M11 for me said: Its the Western Digital Elements Desktop 8TB with USB2 / USB3. https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/wd-elements-desktop-8-tb-externe-festplatte-10144863 The link doesn't specify the read and write speeds. I do have a similar vintage 4T WD external drive to compare though. My drive tested 135 write and 145Mb/s read on a M1 MPB16 running Monterey. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 26, 2022 Share #91 Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) I have just inserted a SD card from my SL2-S into my Macbook 14" Pro M1 Pro (which has a built-in SD card reader) and imported several files into Lightroom CC. No obvious problems. In Finder the card is still shown as formatted exFAT. Installed OS is Ventura 13.0.1. Version 13.1 has been downloaded, but not installed. What am I doing 'wrong'? Or have I misunderstood the issue? I'll have to re-read this thread. Edit. The import above was of just 2 images. I have just imported all images from the SD card in about 2 minutes: 638 x 45.4Mb raw files from a 24mp SL2-S - about 240Mb/s. Subjectively it seems much the same as it has ever been. NB I do not use Lightroom Classic on my MacBook, so this is not a test of LR Classic and Ventura, just the exFAT issue. Edited December 26, 2022 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share #92 Posted December 26, 2022 I have Ventura 13.1 and it works perfectly well with my SD card (exFAT) coming from the M11. Probably there are still bugs in Ventura. My first Ventura installation was so unstable and made me buy the Studio. I did not want to risk loosing lots of data. As it showed later my iMac had a Hardware problem: After setting up my new Studio I wanted to prepare the iMac for another purpose: I deleted the full internal SSD and wanted then to re-install Monterey: For this purpose an envelope with a question mark in should appear on the screen. In my case the envelope blinked (it should NOT blink) which is the clear indication that there are HW problems and I could not install Monterey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted December 27, 2022 Share #93 Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) On 12/25/2022 at 7:09 PM, M11 for me said: Its the Western Digital Elements Desktop 8TB with USB2 / USB3. https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/wd-elements-desktop-8-tb-externe-festplatte-10144863 I am looking for a UH25 STUDIO hub. They have a discussion on how peripherals work good on this connected hub. E.g. the Samsung T5 drops from 500 Mbs on Intel Mac to <350 Mbs on the M1. But on the hub the drive retains its speed. How? Its not the M1. Its probably the new controller for the USB-C ports that does some protocol checks that old drives will not pass. I’ll report once I have it. Speed report. With Ventura and LRc 13 on my Studio, I loaded 150 M10R files in 80 sec, sans BU. And 110 M9M files in 40 sec including BU to an external SSD. So these are good results. Ventura is comfortable here. I create the standard previews and load the cache too with the standard size; both on my internal 'HD'. Alberts Principle: You can use an Apple computer until you reach an operating system that slowly kills the machine. Edited December 27, 2022 by Alberti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share #94 Posted January 18, 2023 Thanks for that: The UH25 hub looks great. But I had to go for something I can buy here. So I made a decision: - I bought a SanDisk Extreme Pro 4TB. It is NOT Thunderbolt. But I came to the conclusion that I will not move TB and TB constantly from one place to the other. What I use that storage for is to put all my DNG files for use with Adobe Products. Now I have installed everything and it works well. How well does it work: The Blackmagic Test shows some 190MB/s (read or write). This is certainly not impressive, but in practice to read one DNG or write a DNG at a time it is plenty. A faster unit would not make the real difference that would matter. The main difference to the old HDD (my 8TB drives) is that there is no delay when the drive has to start. That is great. With that in place I have now the fastest Lightroom I ever had 😇. So it came true what Apple Store advised me when I bought the studio: Buy little internal SSD and go for external for my applications (99% Lightroom). So that is what I did: 0,5TB internal SSD; 4TB external SanDisk SSD for my DNGs; then 2 times 8TB HDD both for TimeMachine. The internal SSD is only about 20% full with the system and all the programs. One problem I had: When installing the SaDisk I assigned a password. With this in place TimeMachine would not work. I took me a long time to find out what was wrong. Finally I deleted the SanDisk Password and my 2 TimeMachines started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 19, 2023 Share #95 Posted January 19, 2023 In my experience it is best to delete all of SanDisk software and format the drive in Disk Utility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share #96 Posted January 20, 2023 vor 16 Stunden schrieb jaapv: In my experience it is best to delete all of SanDisk software and format the drive in Disk Utility. That is true. I would do that next time. Now I wonder if I just could delete all related software (I find even an uninstall app for "SanDisk Security.app) as I have canceled the Password from the SanDisk app (that piece of Software is still on my Mac under Macintosh HD > Applications I formatted the SSD with the Disk utility tool. But I did not dare to define "encrypt" which would have needed a password. Its then NOT the Sundisk PW but by no means I wanted to delay a proper TimeMachine Backup. Now that new SSD is not encrypted but I do not carry it to other places anyway. Thank you for the advice. Its most welcome. For all the other users with a Mac: When you plugin the SanDisk SSD the first time then a prompt comes up to ask you to "install" that SSD. I did that and at the end the SSD was formatted as exFat. This was the wrong way anyway as I want to use that drive only on my Mac. So the advice is NOT to install that piece of software and instead go directly to DiskUtility and delete the drive and format to APFS. Then the TimeMachine will be able to backup properly. With a password assigned through that SanDisk App TimeMachine would immediately stop with error message after a few seconds after its start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 20, 2023 Share #97 Posted January 20, 2023 If I were you I would back up the data from that SSD and erase it to APFS. Ventura sometimes struggles with ExFat. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceVentura1986 Posted January 20, 2023 Share #98 Posted January 20, 2023 On 12/9/2022 at 10:34 AM, Alberti said: It ismpossible not to have an external catalogue (and raw file storage): with the current pricing, even 512Gb is only available in the top range Apple machines. No place for a catalogue. Maybe the single catalogue concept is out of date? It is something from large HDD’s. Checked Adobe’s site and it looks like this issue was fixed in late October. Can’t seem to post the link, though. LRClassic users need to upgrade to 12.0.1 or greater. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted January 24, 2023 Share #99 Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) It appears the issue of slow write speeds with ExFat formatted SD cards was been resolved in Ventura 13.2. My tests on a MPB16 M1 running the latest release (Jan 23,2023) update of Ventura 13.2 show things back to normal. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 24, 2023 by Ba Erv 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/342283-lightroom-and-macos-ventura-13-compatibility/?do=findComment&comment=4656462'>More sharing options...
Adam Bonn Posted January 24, 2023 Share #100 Posted January 24, 2023 55 minutes ago, Ba Erv said: appears the issue of slow write speeds with ExFat formatted SD cards was been resolved in Ventura 13.2 I was just visiting this thread with that very question, so that’s great news. (not rushing to update though!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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