vikag Posted July 29, 2022 Share #21 Posted July 29, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I’ve had the M11 go completely unresponsive couple of times. Even the off and on button wouldn’t do anything. However, each time the only thing that resolved the issue was to remove the battery, wait a few seconds and then it put back in. When the M11 works I just love it but I am not sure what to think of these weird reliability issues. Never had an issue with my M10 before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fionapereira Posted July 29, 2022 Share #22 Posted July 29, 2022 @Leslie22, is it the black or silver version of the M11 that isn't working? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted July 29, 2022 Share #23 Posted July 29, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 6:03 AM, MikeMike88 said: Can’t t dispute your experience but i cant really see how a film camera can fail unless you’ve really beat it up . Digital however can be more finicky i guess especially Leica . Before owning a digital Leica i never heard of such shortcomings from this brand. My M6 is a real champ as is the hassleblad 500 . I didn't own my M2 or M6 long enough for them to fail on me. I don't think I ever had any issues with my M7, but my film MP failed on me, and was repaired by Leica under warranty; so did my M8, which was eventually replaced by Leica even though the warranty had expired. My Monochrom (M9) of course had to to get the sensor replaced. Almost forgot, my film Leica CL failed on me, that was decades ago. I've had Nikon film cameras also fail on me. No brand is fail proof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted July 29, 2022 Share #24 Posted July 29, 2022 20 hours ago, SrMi said: I often charge in-camera. Let's not come to false conclusions. I assume that many M11 owners charge in-camera. Not trying to mislead on anything, but i love to narrowing down the possibilities besides from what i know, dead electronic tools most likely bcoz something is fried, and the probability is likeliest from built in charger, but then sl2 have been doing this for some time with no problem, i wish its feature already matured im just trying to avoid sending over to leica for warranty, from where i live, it is almost buying without a warranty, well unless if it is DOA can probably swap right away hahaha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted July 30, 2022 Share #25 Posted July 30, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 9:21 PM, SrMi said: I often charge in-camera. Let's not come to false conclusions. I assume that many M11 owners charge in-camera. https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1741064/4#16004682 Roundabout between forums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 30, 2022 Share #26 Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, hdmesa said: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1741064/4#16004682 Roundabout between forums Fred Miranda's suggestions do not make sense. Edited July 30, 2022 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 30, 2022 Share #27 Posted July 30, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, jakontil said: Not trying to mislead on anything, but i love to narrowing down the possibilities besides from what i know, dead electronic tools most likely bcoz something is fried, and the probability is likeliest from built in charger, but then sl2 have been doing this for some time with no problem, i wish its feature already matured im just trying to avoid sending over to leica for warranty, from where i live, it is almost buying without a warranty, well unless if it is DOA can probably swap right away hahaha If built-in charging fried something, then the camera should not be working after disconnecting it from the charger, and it would be easy to determine that the culprit is the charging. However, if it fails during shooting, in-camera charging is likely not the cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted July 30, 2022 Share #28 Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, SrMi said: If built-in charging fried something, then the camera should not be working after disconnecting it from the charger, and it would be easy to determine that the culprit is the charging. However, if it fails during shooting, in-camera charging is likely not the cause. yeah i certainly hope so since the main reason why i got the m11 was bcoz of its superpower usb c port, which charger do you use to charge with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie22 Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share #29 Posted July 30, 2022 In answer to questions , The M11 is Silver , and I had taken quiet a few shots after the camera had been charged … So I’m not jumping to the conclusion that the charging was a factor ……. Leslie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 30, 2022 Share #30 Posted July 30, 2022 6 hours ago, jakontil said: yeah i certainly hope so since the main reason why i got the m11 was bcoz of its superpower usb c port, which charger do you use to charge with? I use all kinds of chargers, depending on which one is free and which I decide to take with me (Apple Macbook charger, Anker, etc.). I use them interchangeably for phones, tablets, computers, and cameras. For peace of mind, you may get a USB-C Voltage/Ampere meter. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted July 30, 2022 Share #31 Posted July 30, 2022 11 hours ago, SrMi said: Fred Miranda's suggestions do not make sense. How does it not make sense to use the factory supplied charger? Anyway, the M11 should work with any USB-C charger even if the power brick was the size of a house. But electronics are strange things – if the internals are not regulating the charge (assuming a defect, yet unproven), there could be damage over time that causes failure in the main board while shooting. It doesn't have to go up in a puff of smoke while attached to the charger for the charger to be the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 30, 2022 Share #32 Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, hdmesa said: How does it not make sense to use the factory supplied charger? Anyway, the M11 should work with any USB-C charger even if the power brick was the size of a house. But electronics are strange things – if the internals are not regulating the charge (assuming a defect, yet unproven), there could be damage over time that causes failure in the main board while shooting. It doesn't have to go up in a puff of smoke while attached to the charger for the charger to be the problem. His suggestion to avoid third-party chargers because of potential voltage issues does not make sense. Most chargers have multi-voltage support (5V, 9V, 12V). The charging client specifies which voltage is to be used. For charging any device, it is best to use high quality USB-C charging cables and chargers. For peace of mind, one can use one of the USB-C voltage/ampere meters to monitor the charging input. For example, on my M11, it is always 5V, regardless of the charger I use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted July 30, 2022 Share #33 Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, SrMi said: His suggestion to avoid third-party chargers because of potential voltage issues does not make sense. Most chargers have multi-voltage support (5V, 9V, 12V). The charging client specifies which voltage is to be used. For charging any device, it is best to use high quality USB-C charging cables and chargers. For peace of mind, one can use one of the USB-C voltage/ampere meters to monitor the charging input. For example, on my M11, it is always 5V, regardless of the charger I use. Still makes me nervous to charge in camera. Does the meter/monitor offer immediate shutoff if it detects a spike? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 30, 2022 Share #34 Posted July 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Still makes me nervous to charge in camera. Does the meter/monitor offer immediate shutoff if it detects a spike? No. If the charger generates a spike it would fry my phone/tablet/computer as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted July 30, 2022 Share #35 Posted July 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, SrMi said: No. If the charger generates a spike it would fry my phone/tablet/computer as well. Would it? The operating tolerance of the M11 could be more narrow. Anyway, I’m just clinging onto my theory with only anecdotal evidence. Hopefully Hugh and this person will report back what Leica says. But I think they will simply get a new unit or have the main board replaced with no explanation as to why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam630 Posted October 9, 2022 Share #36 Posted October 9, 2022 My M11 died today. Im hoping it is nothing more than a defective battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie22 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share #37 Posted October 31, 2022 UPDATE ........... Well after almost 14 weeks good news. Leica have replaced my dead silver M11. That's the short version , The camera died on 28th July , stone dead. It was sent from Sydney (Australia) to Melbourne , then on to Germany, Leica Australia gave me a loner for a month long trip to Greece that we had planned , and later after we returned the camera, offered to lone me another if needed. Leica Melbourne sent me and update from Germany telling me that the camera was to be repaired (which included some motherboard soldering) on 25th October. On Saturday 29th Leica Sydney store email to tell me that my camera was to be replaced and come in and collect. Which I did a couple of hours ago ....... A very long wait 14 weeks but I'm so happy to have a new replacement M11 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 31, 2022 Share #38 Posted October 31, 2022 . . . and did you switch it on already? 😃 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie22 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share #39 Posted October 31, 2022 Yes , very happy with it , surly lightning wouldn't strike twice ... life can't possibly be that cruel 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted November 1, 2022 Share #40 Posted November 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Leslie22 said: Yes , very happy with it , surly lightning wouldn't strike twice ... life can't possibly be that cruel i hope it doesn't, i had an SL die twice, the 2nd time was within 24 hours of getting it back after waiting 3 months to be repaired Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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