farnz Posted June 16, 2022 Share #21 Posted June 16, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) An M3.2? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jankap Posted June 16, 2022 Share #22 Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, farnz said: An M3.2? Pete. Would the value be comparable with the Nr. 105? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 16, 2022 Share #23 Posted June 16, 2022 vor 38 Minuten schrieb jankap: Would the value be comparable with the Nr. 105? Only if "Barnack" is engraved on it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleE Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share #24 Posted June 16, 2022 M Twee 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleE Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share #25 Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) So as suggested above, I emailed Leica with the serial number and photos. All they could tell me was that this camera was “delivered” on 11/30/60. No information about where or to whom, and they did not take note of the frame counter. Edited June 22, 2022 by DoubleE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleE Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share #26 Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, DoubleE said: So as suggested above, I emailed Leica with the serial number and photos. All they could tell me was that this camera was “delivered” on 11/30/60. No information about where or to whom, and they did not take note of the frame counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 23, 2022 Share #27 Posted June 23, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 6/15/2022 at 12:49 AM, DoubleE said: it was the personal camera of a camera tech, This is the most significant info, I think... as Jerzy said, it's not a trivial modification, but for a good tech of the '60s (maybe working for Leitz NY, or in relation) . with access to parts, surely feasible ; for me too, when many years ago used both M2 and M4, zeroing the counter was a frequent inadvertence.. 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleE Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share #28 Posted June 23, 2022 I love that it matches my M3 in usage, so identical workflow, but at the same time I feel like I’m missing the entire M2 experience. Silly, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted June 23, 2022 Share #29 Posted June 23, 2022 having M3 as a basis, and I understand this is the case here, makes it easier. You need to swap rangefinder with the one for M2 (not difficult), and if you do not insist on having M2 top cover this was, you have M3 with M2 frames. Only if the M2 top cover is needed you will have to modify it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 23, 2022 Share #30 Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, DoubleE said: I love that it matches my M3 in usage, so identical workflow, but at the same time I feel like I’m missing the entire M2 experience. Silly, I guess. We don't know what you paid but assuming it was no more than a normal M2 I think you could probably sell it via the right channels for a premium for the novelty value, and buy yourself a very nice M2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleE Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share #31 Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, earleygallery said: We don't know what you paid but assuming it was no more than a normal M2 I think you could probably sell it via the right channels for a premium for the novelty value, and buy yourself a very nice M2. I got it for a good price, so there is that option, but I'm delighted with it, in spite of what I said above. It's basically what the M-A is trying to be (minus a couple of frame lines). Edited June 23, 2022 by DoubleE Typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleE Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share #32 Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, jerzy said: having M3 as a basis, and I understand this is the case here, makes it easier. You need to swap rangefinder with the one for M2 (not difficult), and if you do not insist on having M2 top cover this was, you have M3 with M2 frames. Only if the M2 top cover is needed you will have to modify it. Below are some better photos. Top cover and rangefinder are M2, but modified for M3 frame counter. Focuses to .7 meters. Body cover is probably M2. Camera internals are late model M3. Runs just as smooth, solid and quiet as my current M3 or any of the other Ms I've owned in the past. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 23, 2022 by DoubleE 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333538-m2-with-m3-frame-counter/?do=findComment&comment=4458887'>More sharing options...
rulnacco Posted July 9, 2022 Share #33 Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) That's fantastic--and quite possibly unique! Looks like a very happy hybrid of the M3 and M2, combining in a way the best features of both--although I would wish it had gotten the gene for the lens release button guard, that's a pretty desirable thing. I wouldn't say it's "missing" any framelines--the 75 and 135 are only rarely used, comparatively, and so the M2 might have had the best set of framelines, with no distracting lines for lenses most people wouldn't be using. By the way, it's got another anachronistic feature: that electronic flash receptacle is a standard PC sync port like those found on later cameras. Didn't the M2 have the old-style, proprietary sync ports like on the M3? I don't own an M2 myself, but the photos I can find online show the old-style ports. So that's another modification--and improvement, really. (Most techs can easily make the swap from the old style ports to the new, and my understanding is that it was often done for customers.) Ha! That camera rocks. I'd never sell that--and I'd use the hell out of it! For me it combines the best features of the M2, M3 (well, except for the viewfinder magnification being smaller) and M4: it's got the M2/M3 wind lever (I've often thought about getting ahold of one and putting it on my M6) and film loading system (which I like a bit better than the later version, even if it is slower), it's got the M3/M4 film counter, it's got the M2/M4 framelines and recessed windows, it's got the M3/M4 rewind lever, it's got the M2/M3 preview and self-timer levers, and it's got the M4 flash sync. The only two things that might make it perfect are the lens release button guard and maybe the M4 rewind. You've got a unicorn there, my friend! Edited July 9, 2022 by rulnacco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted July 10, 2022 Share #34 Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) According to Red Dot's listings, It 's serial number shows it isn't a production model (reserved numbers for factory try outs?) John Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Camera with seial Number 1006145 is a M2 Vorlauf build in the year 1960 https://reddotcamera.net/leica/serial-number-tool/ Edited July 10, 2022 by jpattison 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Camera with seial Number 1006145 is a M2 Vorlauf build in the year 1960 https://reddotcamera.net/leica/serial-number-tool/ ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333538-m2-with-m3-frame-counter/?do=findComment&comment=4468473'>More sharing options...
jpattison Posted July 10, 2022 Share #35 Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) Another one ( looks a normal M2 to me) Rulnacco, this has normal M2 flash connector. https://www.ebay.com/itm/394051593846?nma=true&si=uDxQGMILso%2ByXhMFUzq4xKwdKkM%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 does Vorlauf mean "forerunner" ? Edited July 10, 2022 by jpattison Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted July 10, 2022 Share #36 Posted July 10, 2022 Vorlauf means Self-Timer…..I am pretty sure this camera is result of skilled DYI person. As mentioned earlier, is on M3 basis, it has M2 rangefinder and it has adopted M2 top cover. Unique - yes, but nothing special I would say …. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted July 10, 2022 Share #37 Posted July 10, 2022 A little detail I found on this M3 it have a s/n under 900 000 and he don't have the circle around the lens stop that appears only on s/n 1 155 xxx Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333538-m2-with-m3-frame-counter/?do=findComment&comment=4468690'>More sharing options...
jerzy Posted July 10, 2022 Share #38 Posted July 10, 2022 You mean the collar around the bayonet release? Generally all M3, with exception of very last batch (or two) have it, while M2s do not have. But, body covers of M2 and late M3 are compatible, I believe this is the case with M3 you are showing, it has either later M3 or M2 Body Cover 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted July 11, 2022 Share #39 Posted July 11, 2022 13 hours ago, jerzy said: You mean the collar around the bayonet release? Generally all M3, with exception of very last batch (or two) have it, while M2s do not have. But, body covers of M2 and late M3 are compatible, I believe this is the case with M3 you are showing, it has either later M3 or M2 Body Cover The body frame must have been changed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rulnacco Posted July 11, 2022 Share #40 Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/10/2022 at 5:56 AM, jpattison said: Another one ( looks a normal M2 to me) Rulnacco, this has normal M2 flash connector. https://www.ebay.com/itm/394051593846?nma=true&si=uDxQGMILso%2ByXhMFUzq4xKwdKkM%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 does Vorlauf mean "forerunner" ? Yes, the one you linked has the old-style flash sync ports, which the M3 also had. If yours are like that, you have to use an adapter for regular PC style sync cables. If you look at the photos of the camera being discussed here, it has the standard (universal) PC sync ports. So those must have been swapped in later for the original sync ports. This was, I have read and heard, a very common thing for techs to be asked to do when a camera was sent in for repair/CLA. As the previous owner was a camera tech himself, it's quite likely he put them in his own camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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