Customer satisfaction survey Leica M11 owners

[IkarusJohn]

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I’m not a fan of the traditional baseplate on digital Ms - it seems pointless when the release and click system works well for the battery.  But, I digress.

I only raised the point because Leica seems to be asking the question about future digital M cameras (IBIS etc in What’s missing and What do you want next) only from M11 owners.  Now, an easy approach for the M planning discussion is just to look at those answers, and write off all the other comment here as being the disaffected.

Put this another way, if the survey was just about what to improve in the M11, or what M11 owners like, why ask about future M cameras?  That question should be posed to all M owners, and perhaps wider.

Maybe a further survey is coming, but I don’t hold my breath.  It seems my Monochrom and M10-D will be my last digital M cameras, and that’s okay.  I will enjoy my M-A til I am no longer able or wanting to take pictures.  Future digital M cameras are probably better aimed at a younger demographic.  I wonder if it’s the first small step in losing the core ethos of the M camera.

Edited June 23, 2022 by IkarusJohn

[tom0511]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb IkarusJohn:

....., why ask about future M cameras?  That question should be posed to all M owners, and perhaps wider.

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I am with you on this point.  

And while all my previous digital M cameras came and left, I still own my first Leica M (M6) (eventhough I barely use it any more)

[intermediatic]

I can’t access the survey for some reason.

[LUF Admin]

Sorry, the survey is now closed…

[hdmesa]

15 hours ago, MikeMike88 said:

I’m using with third party lens makers zeiss and Voightlander and to be honest I prefer my M6 over the M11 . To me the M11 seems a very expensive point and shoot with the extra work of manual focus as I don’t find myself using the split image focus as much as id prefer. 

 I do like the size of the camera body. 

Anyone who has used an M film camera probably prefers that experience to the digital M –> but not the expense of film, the wait time for developing/processing/scanning, and the technical limitations (ISO maximums, etc.). Regarding not using the rangefinder on the M11 as much as you like, that is something you have the power to change  I keep the Visoflex 2 on my M11 about half the time, which is more than I expected to – however, I use Extended EVF mode so that it only activates when I look into it – so I end up using the rangefinder with it attached a lot, especially when stopped down, which is when focusing with an EVF/LCD becomes less accurate. Another thing that can help – get a lens like the 28 Summaron with a max aperture of f/5.6 – nearly impossible to focus perfectly with an EVF/LCD since the DOF is so wide – the rangefinder is an essential in such cases.

[Mikep996]

Two things dissuaded me from serious interest in the M11; the shutter operation and the lack of the baseplate.  However, after owning a Q2 for about a month now, I will admit that the battery latch thing is pretty neat (as is everything else about the Q2).  So I think I could get over no baseplate!     And I do like the idea of internal storage rather than requiring an SD card!

The shutter operation still bothers me though I suppose I'd get used to that in short order as well.  But it still comes down to the fact that my M10R BP does a fabulous job for me and looks even better so I don't see the 11 (yet) as a real improvement.  Even if it was, I wouldn't sell/trade the 10R BP to buy an 11 but I do have a (now) unused M10... 🤔

Maybe when an M11 BP shows up...🤪

 

[elmars]

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vor 12 Minuten schrieb Mikep996:

Two things dissuaded me from serious interest in the M11; the shutter operation

I was excited when I read the feature list of the M11 - it was all (and more) I wanted. But after first hearing the complex shutter operation (not the sound) I thought this would be an M11 killer. But what shall I say: I got used to. I love the operation sound of the M10 shutter more but the sound of the M11 doesn´t bother me in any way.

[PeterGA]

On 7/1/2022 at 3:26 PM, elmars said:

I was excited when I read the feature list of the M11 - it was all (and more) I wanted. But after first hearing the complex shutter operation (not the sound) I thought this would be an M11 killer. But what shall I say: I got used to. I love the operation sound of the M10 shutter more but the sound of the M11 doesn´t bother me in any way.

maybe because no one ever made a photograph with their ears ? -:)

[elmars]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb PeterGA:

maybe because no one ever made a photograph with their ears ? -:)

Are You sure? In german we have a saying: Das Auge isst mit (the eye eats with). If an eye can eat, an ear possibly can take photos.

[SrMi]

4 hours ago, PeterGA said:

maybe because no one ever made a photograph with their ears ? -:)

A good photographer uses all his six 😄 senses when taking a photograph.

[1joel1]

Where are the survey results?

[SrMi]

25 minutes ago, 1joel1 said:

Where are the survey results?

The results are likely confidential.

[xiaubauu2009]

Digital IBIS added with a 1.1~1.3x crop making this super stable.

[SrMi]

10 hours ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

Digital IBIS added with a 1.1~1.3x crop making this super stable.

What is digital IBIS? Electronic stabilization is possible only with video and Leica is doing it for LV.

[xiaubauu2009]

On 8/20/2022 at 1:51 AM, SrMi said:

What is digital IBIS? Electronic stabilization is possible only with video and Leica is doing it for LV.

Ya, I don't think M11 has any gyro built in. So most likely this won't be possible.

[LBJ2]

7 hours ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

Ya, I don't think M11 has any gyro built in. So most likely this won't be possible.

Wasn't there something about electronic IBIS for the M11 LCD screen/LV and the Visoflex/EVF 2? 

https://leicarumors.com/2022/01/09/the-new-leica-m11-will-not-have-ibis-but-the-lcd-screen-and-evf-will-have-a-separate-built-in-image-stabilization.aspx/

[xiaubauu2009]

15 hours ago, LBJ2 said:

Wasn't there something about electronic IBIS for the M11 LCD screen/LV and the Visoflex/EVF 2? 

https://leicarumors.com/2022/01/09/the-new-leica-m11-will-not-have-ibis-but-the-lcd-screen-and-evf-will-have-a-separate-built-in-image-stabilization.aspx/

If there is, then Digital IS is more than likely! Good stuff. but will have to get used to cropped view angle.

[SrMi]

2 hours ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

If there is, then Digital IS is more than likely! Good stuff. but will have to get used to cropped view angle.

The digital stabilization works only for video streams, i.e., EVF/LCD. It does not work for still images.

[LBJ2]

16 hours ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

If there is, then Digital IS is more than likely! Good stuff. but will have to get used to cropped view angle.

 

14 hours ago, SrMi said:

The digital stabilization works only for video streams, i.e., EVF/LCD. It does not work for still images.

What SrMi wrote here " digital stabilization works only for video streams, i.e., EVF/LCD" really through me off. The bit about video streams and the M11 just didn't make sense to me...so I did some Googling:

A very brief snippet at 4:40 in the video below too. Now, how do I check this out in LV with the rear screen or with Visoflex 2? Is there some setting to engage LV/EVF digital IBIS in the M11 menu? 

"The [M11] LCD screen and EVF will have a separate built-in image stabilization (shake reduction) feature that will be helpful when focus peaking" 

"Before the M11 announcement, I reported a rumor that the upcoming Leica M11 camera will not have IBIS, but the LCD screen and EVF will have a separate built-in image stabilization (shake reduction) feature that will be helpful when focus peaking. After the Leica m11 camera was officially announced, I looked online to find out if my reporting was accurate, especially since several readers did not believe my report. Here is the M11 video from B&H Photo that mentions the new feature at the 4:40 minute mark:"    

https://leicarumors.com/2022/01/15/the-new-leica-m11-has-live-view-built-in-image-stabilization.aspx/

 

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by LBJ2

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[SrMi]

What you see in EVF/LC is a video stream. You can stabilize digitally it by shifting the viewing frame up/down/left/right. You loose a bit resolution in the edges, but that does not matter. The stabilization is always on (why would you turn it off?). It is especially helpful when magnifying with longer lenses.