Alberti Posted February 6, 2022 Share #481 Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) - I reacted to clickbait. Sorry Edited February 6, 2022 by Alberti 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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evikne Posted February 6, 2022 Share #482 Posted February 6, 2022 I really like the colors from the new sensor. Other than that, there's nothing that really tempts me with the M11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboy Posted February 6, 2022 Share #483 Posted February 6, 2022 Wait and see for the m11p that smooths out any kinks. It needs ibis especially slower shutter speeds. 1/focal length doesnt seem to work well apparently... Colour reproduction is great however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted February 6, 2022 Share #484 Posted February 6, 2022 M11 pictures are the most important. Again, all leica cameras produce good results. Weekend pictures with vintage glass & M11 at f5.6/8 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328447-why-i-will-not-be-getting-a-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4377729'>More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted February 6, 2022 Share #485 Posted February 6, 2022 Same, at f2.8 oh & second shot is at ISO 10,000 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328447-why-i-will-not-be-getting-a-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4377731'>More sharing options...
Knipsknecht Posted February 6, 2022 Share #486 Posted February 6, 2022 Yesterday I had the opportunity to get my hands on a M11 at a local camera store, and a Leica sales representative was there, too, so I could ask some questions. As far as I can tell the camera is in almost every technical aspect a step up from the M10 line. But to be honest, I didn’t felt any GAS. The new battery seems to be great, but I didn’t had any issues with the batteries in my M10. For my style of shooting, most of the time one battery is enough for a day out. Do I need 60MP to improve my photography? Definitely no! It’s a nice to have in some rare occasions, but most of the time I would not use it because I like to edit my unspectacular photos on my iPad Pro with Snapseed which is very intuitive and fast with the 24MP pics from my M10. Metering directly from the sensor? Jepp, another nice feature, but until now I haven’t had any problems with the of the curtain metering in the M10. As long as one knows that it’s better to underexposure a shot everything is okay. So, I clearly see the advantages of the 11 but in my case they don’t tempt me to open my wallet and throw 8.500 Euro at the cam. Maybe, if the prices on the second hand market come significantly down over the next years I would pull the trigger. But until that happens I stay with my M10, look after interesting lenses and have an eye on the prices for used M10-Ps😉. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted February 6, 2022 Share #487 Posted February 6, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 59 minutes ago, cboy said: Wait and see for the m11p that smooths out any kinks. It needs ibis especially slower shutter speeds. 1/focal length doesnt seem to work well apparently... Colour reproduction is great however. I'm setting 1/500 ISO 64〜12,500 as my auto iso settings. i find this to be perfect for street photography. For speeds lower than 1/500 I find you have to be careful not to move while you shoot. If yo stand still & shoot then you can do 1/(twice focal length) easily though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted February 6, 2022 Share #488 Posted February 6, 2022 Also, what the hell is going on with this guy’s lens on the review? It’s a Frankenstein between rigid v1 and cron v3?! Can you even do that ahah Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328447-why-i-will-not-be-getting-a-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4377832'>More sharing options...
tomconte Posted February 7, 2022 Share #489 Posted February 7, 2022 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtakeoka Posted February 7, 2022 Share #490 Posted February 7, 2022 New metering system gives too big shutter lag for my street use. I think it's landscape camera. If Leica provides no metering and shutter pre-close mode like MQ mode on Hasselblad X1D, shooting speed gets much faster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted February 7, 2022 Share #491 Posted February 7, 2022 43 minutes ago, rtakeoka said: New metering system gives too big shutter lag for my street use. I think it's landscape camera. If Leica provides no metering and shutter pre-close mode like MQ mode on Hasselblad X1D, shooting speed gets much faster. If the M11 lag is too much for you, every single leica digital camera will be too much for you. There’s no way to notice the lag difference between M9~10~240~11 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtakeoka Posted February 7, 2022 Share #492 Posted February 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, shirubadanieru said: If the M11 lag is too much for you, every single leica digital camera will be too much for you. There’s no way to notice the lag difference between M9~10~240~11 Did you try swinging cameras and release the shutter at the certain timing then compare images between 11 and 10/before? I found the differences. I shoot moving subjects a lot so the smallest shutter release lag is important. Thank you very much for your reply! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted February 7, 2022 Share #493 Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, rtakeoka said: Did you try swinging cameras and release the shutter at the certain timing then compare images between 11 and 10/before? I found the differences. I shoot moving subjects a lot so the smallest shutter release lag is important. Thank you very much for your reply! I've had all leica cameras they have released & the differences between them is measured in milliseconds; there’s just no way humans can distinguish these in real use. For example the M9 I believe it was 80ms, M10 40ms, and M11 60ms (but don’t quote me on that as my figures might be wrong). There’s simply no way you can distinguish between them, and having been a long time user of the M9 and also shooting film Leicas frequently I never felt that the M9 did not allow me to catch the decisive moment any less than my film bodies, and certainly the M11 doesn’t either. Of course if you require exact perfect timing then no Leica digital will do, and you’d be better shooting film with almost zero lag. Not sure how other mirrorless or slr compare in terms of shutter lag but there might be more lag free cameras out there? If this is truly critical for your work that is. Edited February 7, 2022 by shirubadanieru Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 7, 2022 Share #494 Posted February 7, 2022 4 hours ago, shirubadanieru said: Not sure how other mirrorless or slr compare in terms of shutter lag but there might be more lag free cameras out there? Just a simple test if you don't mind. I'm used to do click-click or click-click-click in single shot mode in fast succession. I prefer that to continuous mode don't ask me why. Easy to do with my Sonys. Same with my M240 in RF mode but not in LV mode (too slow). Can you do the same with your M11 w/o significant lag or blackout time? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 7, 2022 Share #495 Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, lct said: Just a simple test if you don't mind. I'm used to do click-click or click-click-click in single shot mode in fast succession. I prefer that to continuous mode don't ask me why. Easy to do with my Sonys. Same with my M240 in RF mode but not in LV mode (too slow). Can you do the same with your M11 w/o significant lag or blackout time? Just curious. There is no blackout with OVF The lag is the same/similar as with other digital M cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 7, 2022 Share #496 Posted February 7, 2022 6 hours ago, rtakeoka said: Did you try swinging cameras and release the shutter at the certain timing then compare images between 11 and 10/before? I found the differences. I shoot moving subjects a lot so the smallest shutter release lag is important. Thank you very much for your reply! What shutter speed and shutter mode did you use in your test? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 7, 2022 Share #497 Posted February 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, SrMi said: There is no blackout with OVF The lag is the same/similar as with other digital M cameras. Too difficult answer for my old brain sorry. Can you do click-click or click-click-click w/o significant lag or black out time with your M11? A yes or a no would be perfect for me if you don't mind to precise with or w/o the Visoflex . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 7, 2022 Share #498 Posted February 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, lct said: Too difficult answer for my old brain sorry. Can you do click-click or click-click-click w/o significant lag or black out time with your M11? A yes or a no would be perfect for me if you don't mind to precise with or w/o the Visoflex . In RF mode, I can do click-click-click-click with zero blackout and no significant lag (there is a bug which requires Auto Review to be set to Shutter Button or similar). In LV mode, I can do click-click and there is a small blackout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 7, 2022 Share #499 Posted February 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, SrMi said: In RF mode, I can do click-click-click-click with zero blackout and no significant lag (there is a bug which requires Auto Review to be set to Shutter Button or similar). In LV mode, I can do click-click and there is a small blackout. Thank you much. By LV mode, do you mean with, w/o the Visoflex or both? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 7, 2022 Share #500 Posted February 7, 2022 1 minute ago, lct said: Thank you much. By LV mode, do you mean with, w/o the Visoflex or both? LV mode means sending video signal to either Visoflex or LCD. There is no difference whether Visoflex is mounted or not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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