Fedro Posted January 19, 2022 Share #61 Posted January 19, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 minutes ago, Torontoamateur said: Then you should consider the Hasselblad 907X, But that is such a NON -Leica experience Ugh !!! actually i have it and a Hassy experience is an amazing experience in its own right. I am not yet 100% sold on the viewfinder though .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 Hi Fedro, Take a look here Leica M11 image quality (?). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Nick Bedford Posted January 19, 2022 Share #62 Posted January 19, 2022 11 hours ago, tom0511 said: I like your images and the color! Personally I tried custom profiles once upon a time, but I am not good at it and my profiles worked fine for some images, and then npt goof for others, and I found it hard to get consistency. So for me its very welcome if a camera in combination with a raw processor and its profiles produces a look close to what I like. In regards of "pop". For me it means that colors are saturated but should not look articial, image should have nice contrast and microcontrast, but also good tonality, there should be a "3d-look", good details. Thanks @tom0511! Yeah, I must admit that making custom image profiles requires a good deal of research and experimentation and a good deal of restraint too, haha. It's only after 12 years that I finally was able to produce my own custom preset that actually looked and worked quite well. Prior to that, I used VSCO Film presets. Your definition of pop makes sense. Edge definition is often sacrificed in cheap lens optics as well as handling of colours in a sensor. Pop I guess is a multi-faceted result that includes both the sensor and the lens qualities. 10 hours ago, otto.f said: I read the idea of ‘pop’ first and foremost at Steve Huff’s site. This was in the context of properties of a lens, meaning how the focused subject stands out clearly from the unfocused area, so it has to do with edge definition and microcontrast indeed. When you follow the evolution from M8 to M11, you can see that the pop becomes less as the dynamic range increases. So in that sense pop can be a trait of the sensor too. That makes sense too. I remember editing a raw sample from the M9 CCD sensor and by default, it's colours were quite stunning, regardless of the quality of the actual subject (Yosemite Valley). High dynamic range CMOS-sensor raw files aren't quiote as magical by default, so that's where a good image preset can help to introduce some of that magic back into the result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagavulin27 Posted January 20, 2022 Share #63 Posted January 20, 2022 On 1/18/2022 at 7:41 PM, charlesphoto99 said: The image quality is fine, but overkill for most. Boring if not processed, which many members here don't do (and exact same thing for previous gens). It's kind of like hi-end hifi - at a certain point things can become too smoothed out, and lose that toe tapping quality at the expense of less 'noise.' Thing is, having disposable income doesn't equal talent (though I think we all know that, but also nothing wrong with having it and spending as one likes). It used to be pro cameras trickled down to the amateurs - now it's the other way around. Pros can only afford what's absolutely needed and/or tend to stick to something for longer times in order to keep a unified look. When the amateurs get bored and move on to the next iteration and dump their perfectly overkill $9K cameras is when us pros get to pick them up. So please everyone, I insist the image quality of the M10M is really subpar to that of the M11 b&w conversion! Now flood the markets with those outdated obsolete bodies and help drive the prices down! My M10-R BP needs a companion... Looking forward to seeing what the M12 can do. In the meantime I think a MacBook Pro Max 10/24 64GB 1TB machine has my name on it (and much harder to get than an M11!) Oh my god Mr Peterson! I'm new here and I just saw in your portfolio that you portrayed Nirvana and Sonic Youth. You instantly became a God to me! Your photos are superb, I would have killed for having them in my room in the 90s. xxx 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 20, 2022 Share #64 Posted January 20, 2022 15 hours ago, Artin said: What part of the 907 x is anything like a Mamiya 7 ? Where is the rangefinder ? How is it relatively compact manual focus lenses ? Hasselblad is a lost cause they have not done anything that excites me in years I had serious FOMO over the 907x until I actually picked one up and handled it. Immediate thought was - I'm going to drop this sooner rather than later! Needs the $$ grip for sure. Pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 20, 2022 Share #65 Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Lagavulin27 said: Oh my god Mr Peterson! I'm new here and I just saw in your portfolio that you portrayed Nirvana and Sonic Youth. You instantly became a God to me! Your photos are superb, I would have killed for having them in my room in the 90s. xxx Thanks and those were some good - and at times bad - times. We were all just doing our thing. So happy I was a part of it and came away with some good photos to boot. Best, CP 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Bedford Posted January 21, 2022 Share #66 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) On 1/19/2022 at 4:41 AM, charlesphoto99 said: The image quality is fine, but overkill for most. Boring if not processed, which many members here don't do (and exact same thing for previous gens). It's kind of like hi-end hifi - at a certain point things can become too smoothed out, and lose that toe tapping quality at the expense of less 'noise.' Thing is, having disposable income doesn't equal talent (though I think we all know that, but also nothing wrong with having it and spending as one likes). It used to be pro cameras trickled down to the amateurs - now it's the other way around. Pros can only afford what's absolutely needed and/or tend to stick to something for longer times in order to keep a unified look. When the amateurs get bored and move on to the next iteration and dump their perfectly overkill $9K cameras is when us pros get to pick them up. So please everyone, I insist the image quality of the M10M is really subpar to that of the M11 b&w conversion! Now flood the markets with those outdated obsolete bodies and help drive the prices down! My M10-R BP needs a companion... Looking forward to seeing what the M12 can do. In the meantime I think a MacBook Pro Max 10/24 64GB 1TB machine has my name on it (and much harder to get than an M11!) You touch on a really interesting thing I see a lot and that is the lack of any post processing styles (except maybe exposure and WB?). If we take film, it's always post processed by nature and has its own fascinating colour and tonal rendition, grain, texture, etc. But the digital Leica DNG profile on its own? I find it boring as hell to look at. It's just so perfectly... normal? Here is a Kodak Portra 400 scan from my old Nikon FA / 50mm shot at sunrise. A digital raw file with no editing would never look anywhere as beautiful as Portra does with the same shot. The photographers I look up to always use some form of extra colour profile on their raw files and that's part of what makes their work so good. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 21, 2022 by Nick Bedford Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328432-leica-m11-image-quality/?do=findComment&comment=4362950'>More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 21, 2022 Share #67 Posted January 21, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 1/19/2022 at 2:12 PM, algrove said: Reid's review on M11 color versus M10R is interesting and food for thought. Can anyone let me know how much (approx) it costs to subscribe to Reid Reviews these days ? I can get to a 'subscribe' page but there's much to fill out and AFAIK no price advertised - perhaps it comes later int he process. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 21, 2022 Share #68 Posted January 21, 2022 around 30$ if I remember well, I have long found this non-sense, but I expect it to be usefull the coming months because there's more to come on color behavior of different brands too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodrog Posted January 21, 2022 Share #69 Posted January 21, 2022 On 1/19/2022 at 3:41 AM, charlesphoto99 said: The image quality is fine, but overkill for most. Boring if not processed, which many members here don't do (and exact same thing for previous gens). It's kind of like hi-end hifi - at a certain point things can become too smoothed out, and lose that toe tapping quality at the expense of less 'noise.' Thing is, having disposable income doesn't equal talent (though I think we all know that, but also nothing wrong with having it and spending as one likes). It used to be pro cameras trickled down to the amateurs - now it's the other way around. Pros can only afford what's absolutely needed and/or tend to stick to something for longer times in order to keep a unified look. When the amateurs get bored and move on to the next iteration and dump their perfectly overkill $9K cameras is when us pros get to pick them up. So please everyone, I insist the image quality of the M10M is really subpar to that of the M11 b&w conversion! Now flood the markets with those outdated obsolete bodies and help drive the prices down! My M10-R BP needs a companion... Looking forward to seeing what the M12 can do. In the meantime I think a MacBook Pro Max 10/24 64GB 1TB machine has my name on it (and much harder to get than an M11!) I concur with the hifi analogy, and I've often thought the same. A few years ago I acquired a somewhat expensive hifi (Naim gear) which, initially, disappointed due to its detailed, but what I thought was too mellow, nature. Now I wouldn't go back. It just sounds more 'right' 😂 Also, take it from me that the M10M really is the perfect companion to the M10-R BP. That's the combination I have and having to decide which one to take is a great dilemma to be in! Peter 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 21, 2022 Share #70 Posted January 21, 2022 vor 18 Minuten schrieb otto.f: around 30$ if I remember well, I have long found this non-sense, but I expect it to be usefull the coming months because there's more to come on color behavior of different brands too. 40€ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 21, 2022 Share #71 Posted January 21, 2022 3 hours ago, nodrog said: I concur with the hifi analogy, and I've often thought the same. A few years ago I acquired a somewhat expensive hifi (Naim gear) which, initially, disappointed due to its detailed, but what I thought was too mellow, nature. Now I wouldn't go back. It just sounds more 'right' 😂 Also, take it from me that the M10M really is the perfect companion to the M10-R BP. That's the combination I have and having to decide which one to take is a great dilemma to be in! Peter Naim user here myself (DAC V1 into a Chrome Bumper 160 Bolt Down amp). IMO the most Leica-like of hifi brands. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodrog Posted January 22, 2022 Share #72 Posted January 22, 2022 13 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said: Naim user here myself (DAC V1 into a Chrome Bumper 160 Bolt Down amp). IMO the most Leica-like of hifi brands. It is, isn't it? NDX/252/250/Kans user here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torontoamateur Posted January 23, 2022 Share #73 Posted January 23, 2022 Have you shown a high detail portrait to a woman? One that shows her every flaw in high detail . Detail that a 50MP plus sensor can perform. How did she react? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 23, 2022 Share #74 Posted January 23, 2022 She liked it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 1, 2022 Share #75 Posted February 1, 2022 Any 12500 iso raw file available besides DPreview? The ones i seem to recall were overexposed on the LUF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 1, 2022 Share #76 Posted February 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, lct said: Any 12500 iso raw file available besides DPreview? The ones i seem to recall were overexposed on the LUF. do you want anything in specific? 60mp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 1, 2022 Share #77 Posted February 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Photoworks said: do you want anything in specific? 60mp 60 and/or 30MP would be perfect . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 1, 2022 Share #78 Posted February 1, 2022 6 hours ago, lct said: 60 and/or 30MP would be perfect . here is few DNG at 12500 ISO just tests, nothing special, but I think the camera is quite good at 12500 DNG link here up for a week Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328432-leica-m11-image-quality/?do=findComment&comment=4374264'>More sharing options...
lct Posted February 1, 2022 Share #79 Posted February 1, 2022 Thank you @Photoworks much appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted February 2, 2022 Share #80 Posted February 2, 2022 22 hours ago, Photoworks said: here is few DNG at 12500 ISO just tests, nothing special, but I think the camera is quite good at 12500 DNG link here up for a week Me too, I think is quite good. The M11 at 12500 looks like the M10 at 3200.. But 60 vs 24MP.... It's good. Thanks for sharing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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