a dramatic proof of the new 35 APO supremacy?

[setuporg]

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I have the 35 FLE in two versions (a silver one and a steelilux with the Edition 60) as well as a black paint 35 Summicron.  They make lovely photos.

I could see the difference for the 50 APO over the 50 Lux.

Is there a gallery where we can see a definitive difference between the new 35 APO and the latest FLE/Cron preceding it?

[elmars]

Look here:

https://leicarumors.com/2021/04/03/acuity-comparison-of-leica-summilux-m-35mm-f-1-4-vs-summicron-m-35mm-f-2-vs-apo-summicron-m-35mm-f-2-lenses.aspx/
 

Sean Reid has found similar results. 

[Jeff S]

Technical differences between the APO and various other 35mm Leica lenses (including the SL35) are demonstrated in this video.  As always, that doesn’t necessarily translate to ‘better’ pics.

Jeff

[horosu]

Define supremacy

[Herr Barnack]

8 minutes ago, horosu said:

Define supremacy

 

According to Google:

Supremacy

noun: supremacy

the state or condition of being superior to all others in authority, power, or status [or image quality].

"the supremacy of the king" [or the APO 35mm Summicron M].

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by Herr Barnack

[horosu]

25 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

 

According to Google:

Supremacy

noun: supremacy

the state or condition of being superior to all others in authority, power, or status [or image quality].

"the supremacy of the king" [or the APO 35mm Summicron M].

 

Thank you. Does it apply to lenses/instruments that are used in an artistic endeavour ? Scratch "artistic endeavour"- to instruments, in general?

Edited April 26, 2021 by horosu

[Herr Barnack]

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13 minutes ago, horosu said:

Thank you. Does it apply to lenses/instruments that are used in an artistic endeavour ? Scratch "artistic endeavour"- to instruments, in general?

I would think the definition would apply across the board.  My add ons to the definition (in blue) make it more specific for the purposes of our discussion.

[farnz]

It's a little disingenuous to quote a dictionary definition and then append it to make it fit the purpose.  Either the referred dictionary definition works by itself or it doesn't.

Pete.

[Kwesi]

10 hours ago, elmars said:

Look here:

https://leicarumors.com/2021/04/03/acuity-comparison-of-leica-summilux-m-35mm-f-1-4-vs-summicron-m-35mm-f-2-vs-apo-summicron-m-35mm-f-2-lenses.aspx/
 

Sean Reid has found similar results. 

Given that the justification given by leica for the price difference between the Apo and non Apo 35 summicrons is the technical prowess of the App 35/2,

its not surprising that its the sharpest of the bunch, as borne out by the test in the link. What surprised me was how close the 35FLE and the Non Apo 35/2 are in acuity.

Makes me wonder if the test was done with the (11673) 35/2 lens

[jdlaing]

2 hours ago, farnz said:

It's a little disingenuous to quote a dictionary definition and then append it to make it fit the purpose.  Either the referred dictionary definition works by itself or it doesn't.

Pete.

Unless you have latent supremacy feelings. 😃

[pgk]

5 hours ago, Herr Barnack said:

I would think the definition would apply across the board. 

Steinbeck's pen was far better than mine .....

[lct]

Image quality or optical performances? Hard to measure image quality. I like much my 50/2 apo for example but, to me, its image quality is not superior to that of an Elmar 50. Just different. Now we've got a KOB with the 35/2 v4. Perhaps we have a KOIM with the 35/2 apo after all .

[setuporg]

I just wonder whether you'll have an obvious proof jumping at you from the screen that it is the 35 APO, like you do for 50 APO.  Even when I posted a photo on Twitter, folks asked me, is it the 50 APO?  Would you have this kind of a visual signature for the 35 APO or the FLE will be too close to engender, and thus justify, a difference?

[lct]

Hard to answer as i don't jump when it is the 50/2 apo compared to the 50/1.4 asph for instance and i don't own a 35/2 apo either. Better ask better royalists than i am .

[benqui]

I think it is always difficult to transfer the results between different lenses (mostly under standardized conditions) with real life situations. Most of my portrait photography is done with the 50 Apo and an analog M. But to be honest when I look at the photos, I can not decide whether I took the photos with the 50 APO,  my Nikon 1.4/50 (from with a F6), or a 2.8/50 Elmar (which I sold). 

[Kwesi]

2 hours ago, setuporg said:

I just wonder whether you'll have an obvious proof jumping at you from the screen that it is the 35 APO, like you do for 50 APO.  Even when I posted a photo on Twitter, folks asked me, is it the 50 APO?  Would you have this kind of a visual signature for the 35 APO or the FLE will be too close to engender, and thus justify, a difference?

I think, looking at the images from Jono's review, its safe to say the lens has that Karbe APO clarity which qualifies as a signature in its own right.

[Jeff S]

3 hours ago, setuporg said:

I just wonder whether you'll have an obvious proof jumping at you from the screen that it is the 35 APO, like you do for 50 APO.  Even when I posted a photo on Twitter, folks asked me, is it the 50 APO?  Would you have this kind of a visual signature for the 35 APO or the FLE will be too close to engender, and thus justify, a difference?

As discussed by Karbe, and as reinforced by the linked Red Dot Forum presentation, the M 35 APO Summicron performs optically (MTF) almost as well as the SL35 APO, which is huge by comparison.  This is the same as the technical performance relationship that exists between the 50 APO M and the SL 50 APO Summicrons. Significant accomplishments for the M lenses given the size disparity.  Real life pics, however, depend on far more than technical specs, and MTF only addresses some of those.  I’d rather experience handling and ergonomics for myself, make pics and prints, and assess. Frankly I’d be concerned if viewers bothered to ask about my gear, in which case the pictures probably aren’t compelling enough.

Jeff
 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Jeff S

[onasj]

8 hours ago, Kwesi said:

Given that the justification given by leica for the price difference between the Apo and non Apo 35 summicrons is the technical prowess of the App 35/2,

its not surprising that its the sharpest of the bunch, as borne out by the test in the link. What surprised me was how close the 35FLE and the Non Apo 35/2 are in acuity.

Makes me wonder if the test was done with the (11673) 35/2 lens

I did that test, and it was done with the latest (current) versions of the non-APO 35/2 and 35 FLE.

[hdmesa]

The signature of the Leica 35 APO for me would be when shooting at or near its 30cm MFD. We just don’t have that many people who own the lens yet, much less people shooting it at MFD.

Edited April 27, 2021 by hdmesa

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Hallo,

Look here: Leica M

[setuporg]

Well it's not a macro lens for me.  35mm is a landscape/city lens.  I'll have to see the street difference to pop.