Summaron 28

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3 hours ago, Shu_downunder said:

Just covered 12/85. Need a few more days to read all. 
Already got hooded before I knew it, when I saw it in dealer’s display, and the size is second to none when you want the M to become a pocket camera. 

I didn't think about this lens much early on then I read and followed the image page and got hooked. I got a copy of the lens last year and it has become my go-to lenses ever since even though I have more than 10 lenses in 28mm focal length.  

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1 hour ago, ocean2059 said:

I didn't think about this lens much early on then I read and followed the image page and got hooked. I got a copy of the lens last year and it has become my go-to lenses ever since even though I have more than 10 lenses in 28mm focal length.  

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That’s very convincing!

And Beautiful work!
PS. The cloud in the sky look like a crane:)

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6 hours ago, Shu_downunder said:

SOMETIMES I need the lens to do something it not designed for. 
 

For me this lens can be my most used one when I don’t need shallow DOF. 

ARCHITECTURE 

if it’s to reflect the relationship of human and building, then some vignetting could be a good feature.

if it’s showing a building surrounded by sky and landscape, again, it ‘s fine  

if showing a section of building, then the vignetting’s better corrected.

the real challenge is the corner softness.  No way to ‘correct’, unless cropped but need to be considered when shooting. And it’s not a 28mm anymore, so quite limited.

I heard distortion is none which make it superb for architecture photographing. 
 

LANDSCAPING 

I guess it more to personal taste.

 

STREET

Perfect?

 

DAILY/EVENT RECORDING

Almost perfect depending on personal taste.

 

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What have I been wrong or missed above?

PS. I assume it to be used with a high ISO usable body like monochrome.

 

 

 

 

You’re going around in circles trying to make a decision by guesswork.  If the image thread that is mentioned more than once in this thread doesn‘t answer your questions or otherwise convince you, then the sensible thing to do is try a 28mm summation-m for yourself or forget it and play safe with a 28mm elmarit asph or 28mm summicron asph instead.

I have the 28mm summaron-m and the 28mm summicron  asph v1,  the summaron-m is the one I use the most.  I enjoy the 28mm summaron-m for all the reasons that seem to be a cause of concern for you, but then I am the kind of photographer who Leica have in mind with the reintroduction of this lens.  Only by using it will you discover if you are, too.

[andym91]

Hi

About 10 years ago I started a thread on the M8 using older lenses

M8 and Old Glass
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By andym911, 
January 24, 2010 in Leica M Lenses

 

The image I posted was taken with the 28mm f5.6 Summaron.

Here it is again.I still have this lens and love it , particularly on film.It has a dreamy look but the resolution is good.Combined with a BW film its just gorgeous.

It may not suit your use but for casual landscape and street its a dream to use.Yes its heavy, but the tiny size makes it a perfect balanced lens for any M camera.

 

Enjoy

andy

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1 hour ago, Ouroboros said:

You’re going around in circles trying to make a decision by guesswork.  If the image thread that is mentioned more than once in this thread doesn‘t answer your questions or otherwise convince you, then the sensible thing to do is try a 28mm summation-m for yourself or forget it and play safe with a 28mm elmarit asph or 28mm summicron asph instead.

I have the 28mm summaron-m and the 28mm summicron  asph v1,  the summaron-m is the one I use the most.  I enjoy the 28mm summaron-m for all the reasons that seem to be a cause of concern for you, but then I am the kind of photographer who Leica have in mind with the reintroduction of this lens.  Only by using it will you discover if you are, too.

I'm actually reading the post and just started looking at the images now. 

I didn't start this post although it looked like I did:) I just asked about this lens in another post but as it's irrelevant to that topic so a monitor might manually cut the post and started a new one here.

Once I viewed the images I might not need to ask any questions. But if I didn't ask I wouldn't find that 85 pages post that early.

As a new M user, I found this lens actually provides 85%, if not more, of all my needs. That's ridiculously cool.

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1 hour ago, andym91 said:

Hi

About 10 years ago I started a thread on the M8 using older lenses

M8 and Old Glass
Rate this topic
By andym911, 
January 24, 2010 in Leica M Lenses

 

The image I posted was taken with the 28mm f5.6 Summaron.

Here it is again.I still have this lens and love it , particularly on film.It has a dreamy look but the resolution is good.Combined with a BW film its just gorgeous.

It may not suit your use but for casual landscape and street its a dream to use.Yes its heavy, but the tiny size makes it a perfect balanced lens for any M camera.

 

Enjoy

andy

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Dreamy look is the exact wording to describe this photo. Stunning work! Like a paint!

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44 minutes ago, Shu_downunder said:

Dreamy look is the exact wording to describe this photo. Stunning work! Like a paint!

Just go for it............New it's one of Leica's cheapest lenses now that the Summarit's are no longer made and anyway there was no 28mm Summarit. It has a classic feel and look all of it's own especially so on film and / or B&W. If you are still on the fence, plumb for the Elmarit. It's a great lens, no question about it, and sharper corner to corner than the Summaron, the Elmarit is one of my own favourite lenses too. You will not lose too much if you decide to sell the Summaron after putting it through it's paces, they do keep their value pretty well.

The only thing I don't like about the 28mm Summaron is the ridiculously over-sized lens hood, but I have bought a cheap, ( 4.5 Euros / Ebay ), Chinese made vented 34mm hood that is so much better in use than the OEM one in my opinion, much less, close to zero VF obstruction unlike the OEM. Anyway with the front element so set back from the front of the lens 80% of the time you don't need to use a lens hood. Get a simple plastic "squeeze on" lens cap too, again better than the €94 metal cap that is too loose a fit and would oh so easily take a walk. A plastic 34mm "squeeze on" cap ran me €3 Euros for a pack of two.

[andym91]

I must apologise .....

My reference above is to the old Summaron LTM and not the new one..please disregard my post!

I only own the older lens which was used for the shot above.

 

best

Andy

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1 hour ago, andym91 said:

old Summaron LTM

Not irrelevant. Same optical formula, latest coatings on -M version.

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9 hours ago, petermullett said:

The only thing I don't like about the 28mm Summaron is the ridiculously over-sized lens hood,

With such a tiny front element that is deeply recessed I have used mine without a hood and without problems. In any event, the crackle finish hood is such a thing of beauty it is best kept in its lined box!

[JCR33]

I bought one a couple of years ago when I visited Leitzpark a couple of years ago. A really cute and compact lens, great for street snaps and travel light.

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I personally find it very versatile for indoor architectural shots

 

Edited April 13, 2021 by JCR33

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13 hours ago, petermullett said:

Just go for it............New it's one of Leica's cheapest lenses now that the Summarit's are no longer made and anyway there was no 28mm Summarit. It has a classic feel and look all of it's own especially so on film and / or B&W. If you are still on the fence, plumb for the Elmarit. It's a great lens, no question about it, and sharper corner to corner than the Summaron, the Elmarit is one of my own favourite lenses too. You will not lose too much if you decide to sell the Summaron after putting it through it's paces, they do keep their value pretty well.

The only thing I don't like about the 28mm Summaron is the ridiculously over-sized lens hood, but I have bought a cheap, ( 4.5 Euros / Ebay ), Chinese made vented 34mm hood that is so much better in use than the OEM one in my opinion, much less, close to zero VF obstruction unlike the OEM. Anyway with the front element so set back from the front of the lens 80% of the time you don't need to use a lens hood. Get a simple plastic "squeeze on" lens cap too, again better than the €94 metal cap that is too loose a fit and would oh so easily take a walk. A plastic 34mm "squeeze on" cap ran me €3 Euros for a pack of two.

Thanks for the info. I’m almost sure to get it now.

It’s perfectly matching the M246 I just got. 

It’s very inspiring that the perfect solution comes from such ‘imperfect’ specification. 

[gotium]

I just love this lens. Sure, optically it sucks (except for dead-on center) but the results can be lovely. 

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On 4/13/2021 at 1:33 AM, Shu_downunder said:

I assume it to be used with a high ISO usable body like monochrome.

No, it's perfectly fine to use on any M body. The lens has been glued to my awfully low iso M9 since I got it when it came out.

[a.noctilux]

At f/5.6, the rendering is second to none.

For informal snaps, like here, nothing to complain ( LTM 2.8cm though )

 

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formal group marriage,

informal snap as "observer"

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5 hours ago, ianman said:

No, it's perfectly fine to use on any M body. The lens has been glued to my awfully low iso M9 since I got it when it came out.

Great to see you posting again, Ian!

Cheers, Keith

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I enjoyed mine yesterday in Zurich. I forgot how comfortable to use this tiny lens is...

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Am 12.4.2021 um 13:02 schrieb Shu_downunder:

In that case it might fit some type of the architectural. Some other type might prefer zero vignette.
 

I wonder if Lightroom has its data to correct it.  

I would not say that it is just vignette. The corners are somewhat mushy.

I say this as someone who really likes the overall character and rendering of this lens. But I am not sure if I wanted to use it for acrchitecture.

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12 hours ago, tom0511 said:

I would not say that it is just vignette. The corners are somewhat mushy.

I say this as someone who really likes the overall character and rendering of this lens. But I am not sure if I wanted to use it for acrchitecture.

Oh yes, it’s more than just vignetting. Corners are blurry, smeared and a strange purple/magenta in color images, particularly digital. This is not an architecture lens. 

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2 hours ago, gotium said:

Oh yes, it’s more than just vignetting. Corners are blurry, smeared and a strange purple/magenta in color images, particularly digital. This is not an architecture lens. 

Can you please comment on the following?

”

if it’s to reflect the relationship of human and building, then some vignetting could be a good feature.

if it’s showing a building surrounded by sky and landscape, again, it ‘s fine  

if showing a section of building, then the vignetting’s better corrected.

the real challenge is the corner softness.  No way to ‘correct’, unless cropped but need to be considered when shooting. And it’s not a 28mm anymore, so quite limited.

I heard distortion is none which make it superb for architecture photographing. 

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