Guest JMF Posted March 22, 2021 Share #101 Posted March 22, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1973 Noctilux 1.2 on M240 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1973 Noctilux 1.2 on M240 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318586-the-50mm-f12-noctilux-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=4165961'>More sharing options...
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Guest JMF Posted March 22, 2021 Share #102 Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1973 Noctilux 1.2 on M240 Edited March 22, 2021 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1973 Noctilux 1.2 on M240 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318586-the-50mm-f12-noctilux-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=4165967'>More sharing options...
tightsqueez Posted March 22, 2021 Share #103 Posted March 22, 2021 Is it me, my eyes... but do all these images look like there is NOTHING in focus???? Someone who actually owns this lens; please let me know this lens can somewhat accurately focus off center. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
insideline Posted March 22, 2021 Share #104 Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, tightsqueez said: Is it me, my eyes... but do all these images look like there is NOTHING in focus???? Someone who actually owns this lens; please let me know this lens can somewhat accurately focus off center. This is the second post where you are challenging the 1.2 Noctilux and whether it is sharp on center. I recommend you do some research on how the original 1.2 Noctilux renders as the new replica is pretty much the same which is great as that was the intent, but possibly from your challenges here on two posts it may not be for you? There are Flickr posts where owners have downloaded files taken with the original 1.2 you may want to have a look through, plus John Buckley's photos here in one of the new 1.2 Noctilux posts well represent what the lens is capable of plus Wonzo and others have kindly downloaded a bunch of samples as well. Granted these are radically down sized to fit on here but you should get a feel. My Dad and now I have owned our original 1.2 Noctilux since new in 1968 and its a neat lens for sure, is it my favorite lens, no actually its not, as I prefer my E58 F1 Noctilux for its more out of control aberrations as it is not an Aspherical lens like the original 1.2. Point is we all have that look we like so possibly have a good hard look as to how both the original 1.2 renders and the newly made version as there is nothing new here in the new 1.2 other than the much better performance from F2 on up along with increased contrast, plus the new lens isn't valued at $45,000 so it can just be enjoyed. In closing the remake of the original 1.2 is incredibly well made lens perfectly sized to hold and handle which renders pretty much exactly like the original when shot wide open, then differs for the better when stopped down. Hope that helps. Edited March 22, 2021 by insideline grammer 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 22, 2021 Share #105 Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 22, 2021 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318586-the-50mm-f12-noctilux-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=4166157'>More sharing options...
insideline Posted March 23, 2021 Share #106 Posted March 23, 2021 2 hours ago, JMF said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Oh my is it just me because I too shoot with an original version of the 1.2 that this is a beautiful photograph utilizing the 1.2 Noctilux. This a beautiful representation of what these lens are capable of, just lovely. Thank you for sharing this with us all. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 23, 2021 Share #107 Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 20 minutes ago, insideline said: Oh my is it just me because I too shoot with an original version of the 1.2 that this is a beautiful photograph utilizing the 1.2 Noctilux. This a beautiful representation of what these lens are capable of, just lovely. Thank you for sharing this with us all. Thank you all for this thread ! I had the original 1.2 Noctilux for some time a few years ago and very recently dug out some photos I had taken then . Taken with the M240: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Looking forward to using the re edition, hopefully soon 🙂 Best, JM Edited March 23, 2021 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Looking forward to using the re edition, hopefully soon 🙂 Best, JM ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318586-the-50mm-f12-noctilux-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=4166200'>More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 23, 2021 Share #108 Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) Two more shots then ! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Cheers ! Edited March 23, 2021 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Cheers ! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318586-the-50mm-f12-noctilux-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=4166202'>More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 23, 2021 Share #109 Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Noctilux 1.2 on M240 Edited March 23, 2021 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Noctilux 1.2 on M240 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318586-the-50mm-f12-noctilux-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=4166229'>More sharing options...
kokoshawnuff Posted March 23, 2021 Share #110 Posted March 23, 2021 Some really beautiful photos. Thanks to everyone contributing. I’m looking forward to receiving my copy (whenever my name comes up on the waitlist). I think it will be a great compliment in my bag to the APO 50 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted March 23, 2021 Share #111 Posted March 23, 2021 Definitely looks better in B&W, perfect combo for Tri-X or MM. Has anyone shot portraits with it? Still have yet to see the ‘dreamy’ portrait look which is supposedly where this lens shines. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wizard Posted March 23, 2021 Share #114 Posted March 23, 2021 vor 10 Stunden schrieb JMF: Noctilux 1.2 on M240 What strikes me is that this old Noctilux appears to have really significant field curvature at full aperture (assuming at least the first two shots were taken at full aperture), exemplified by the central portion of the image (the unfocussed background portion) being a lot more blurred than the edge portions of the same image. Also exemplified by the fact that all the marbles in the foreground of the first shot appear to be in focus, despite them not being positioned in the same plane of focus. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 23, 2021 Share #115 Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, wizard said: What strikes me is that this old Noctilux appears to have really significant field curvature at full aperture (assuming at least the first two shots were taken at full aperture), exemplified by the central portion of the image (the unfocussed background portion) being a lot more blurred than the edge portions of the same image. Also exemplified by the fact that all the marbles in the foreground of the first shot appear to be in focus, despite them not being positioned in the same plane of focus. It's a 1.2 lens, what do you expect? The Canon 50 1.2 shows more field curvature . Sharing the picture I was thinking the Noctilux was behaving well ! It can get worse: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 23, 2021 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318586-the-50mm-f12-noctilux-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=4166443'>More sharing options...
wizard Posted March 23, 2021 Share #116 Posted March 23, 2021 vor 25 Minuten schrieb JMF: Sharing the picture I was thinking the Noctilux was behaving well ! My comment wasn't intended in terms of good or bad, I just find that behaviour interesting, and have not seen it in this pronounced way with any other lens. If you know your tools, this behavior can be taken advantage of. I suspect that the new incarnation of this lens will be more tame in this respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 23, 2021 Share #117 Posted March 23, 2021 38 minutes ago, wizard said: My comment wasn't intended in terms of good or bad, I just find that behaviour interesting, and have not seen it in this pronounced way with any other lens. If you know your tools, this behavior can be taken advantage of. I suspect that the new incarnation of this lens will be more tame in this respect. Yes, I concur. I hope the new incarnation will be sharper on the sides than the 1973 sample I had which was very soft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan_S Posted March 23, 2021 Share #118 Posted March 23, 2021 Another one with the re-released Noctilux f1.2 this time shot at f2.4 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightsqueez Posted March 23, 2021 Share #119 Posted March 23, 2021 20 hours ago, insideline said: This is the second post where you are challenging the 1.2 Noctilux and whether it is sharp on center. I recommend you do some research on how the original 1.2 Noctilux renders as the new replica is pretty much the same which is great as that was the intent, but possibly from your challenges here on two posts it may not be for you? There are Flickr posts where owners have downloaded files taken with the original 1.2 you may want to have a look through, plus John Buckley's photos here in one of the new 1.2 Noctilux posts well represent what the lens is capable of plus Wonzo and others have kindly downloaded a bunch of samples as well. Granted these are radically down sized to fit on here but you should get a feel. My Dad and now I have owned our original 1.2 Noctilux since new in 1968 and its a neat lens for sure, is it my favorite lens, no actually its not, as I prefer my E58 F1 Noctilux for its more out of control aberrations as it is not an Aspherical lens like the original 1.2. Point is we all have that look we like so possibly have a good hard look as to how both the original 1.2 renders and the newly made version as there is nothing new here in the new 1.2 other than the much better performance from F2 on up along with increased contrast, plus the new lens isn't valued at $45,000 so it can just be enjoyed. In closing the remake of the original 1.2 is incredibly well made lens perfectly sized to hold and handle which renders pretty much exactly like the original when shot wide open, then differs for the better when stopped down. Hope that helps. You’d be foolish to not question a lens quality at $7700. Show me an off center image that exhibits SOMETHING in focus at 1.2 and I’ll shut my trap. I only shoot film, crappy film at that, so I have really low expectations. Someone humor me. Till then... I’m not seeing it. If this is what the original version was and is to be in the new release, the lens is obviously not for me. No hurt feelings here. For a lens to have something remotely in focus only dead center... it’s called a one trick pony. Sorry, rendering will only get you so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
insideline Posted March 23, 2021 Share #120 Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, tightsqueez said: You’d be foolish to not question a lens quality at $7700. Show me an off center image that exhibits SOMETHING in focus at 1.2 and I’ll shut my trap. I only shoot film, crappy film at that, so I have really low expectations. Someone humor me. Till then... I’m not seeing it. If this is what the original version was and is to be in the new release, the lens is obviously not for me. No hurt feelings here. For a lens to have something remotely in focus only dead center... it’s called a one trick pony. Sorry, rendering will only get you so far. Ok, I'll say this for the third time, you are completely missing everything this wonderful lens provides which is a sharp in focus rendering with a very different off center look, thats how the original was designed and this is how the new copy renders. Then at F2 on up the new copy renders much sharper across the entire frame and includes much improved and noticeable contrast making this a neat dual rendering lens. What surprises me is there have been many many samples of how the original 1.2 lens renders shown online for decades for all of us to view so it should be no surprise to anyone how the new "copy" renders. The original 1966-1975 1.2 Noctilux and this new 1.2 copy of the same lens may well not be for you, but for many of us it is a stellar lens that is very interesting and exciting to shoot with. Is it for everyone, I honestly do not know, so it is imperative that anyone looking to purchase this remake of the original 1.2 to view as many images online and on Flickr etc with the original lens shot wide open so that they can judge for themselves if it could be of interest to them.There are also very good representations here on the forum by John Buckley, Wonzo, Milan and others that show a sharp rendering at the focus point combined with an interesting and artistic out of focus look. The lens also renders in a very modern and useful way at F2 and above so it could be described as a very useful lens and even a mainstay 50mm focal length for many, just be sure you understand how it renders when shot wide open. Edited March 23, 2021 by insideline spell 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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