nicci78 Posted February 22, 2021 Share #21  Posted February 22, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I also hope that CL2 will be that awesome. If it did get Maestro III. I will also sell my Q2 and keep CL alongside future CL2.  Q2 is too frustrating to use because of its old and underpowered Maestro II. Making its AF notably bad. Which is a shame. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted February 22, 2021 Share #22 Â Posted February 22, 2021 A quote back from Leica UK after I added my name to the (prospective) waiting list: "I would advise taking this particular rumour with a grain of salt." I left my name on the waiting list. As I wrote earlier, I am attracted particularly by the likely improvement in image quality (colour and in low light), as shown by the M10R and SL2-S, rather than by any specific features, I suspect I am less likely to be disappointed than some here. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 22, 2021 Share #23  Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: A quote back from Leica UK after I added my name to the (prospective) waiting list: "I would advise taking this particular rumour with a grain of salt." I left my name on the waiting list. As I wrote earlier, I am attracted particularly by the likely improvement in image quality (colour and in low light), as shown by the M10R and SL2-S, rather than by any specific features, I suspect I am less likely to be disappointed than some here. How could they say otherwise? 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 22, 2021 Share #24  Posted February 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, nicci78 said: I also hope that CL2 will be that awesome. If it did get Maestro III. I will also sell my Q2 and keep CL alongside future CL2.  Q2 is too frustrating to use because of its old and underpowered Maestro II. Making its AF notably bad. Which is a shame.  5 minutes ago, nicci78 said: I also hope that CL2 will be that awesome. If it did get Maestro III. I will also sell my Q2 and keep CL alongside future CL2.  Q2 is too frustrating to use because of its old and underpowered Maestro II. Making its AF notably bad. Which is a shame. Really? I find my original Q perfect for focusing, automatically or manually. You must have some demanding subjects to capture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 22, 2021 Share #25  Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, wda said: How could they say otherwise? 😉 Indeed - but I could easily see a CL2 without weather sealing (because it might add bulk, and the lenses aren't) or IBIS (ditto bulk, and adding power drain to an already power-limited camera). And I have long suspected that rumour sites get their raw material from wishlists posted on forums like this😉 Edited February 22, 2021 by LocalHero1953 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 22, 2021 Share #26  Posted February 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: Indeed - but I could easily see a CL2 without weather sealing (because it might add bulk, and the lenses aren't) or IBIS (ditto bulk, and adding power drain to an already power-limited camera). And I have long suspected that rumour sites get their raw material from wishlists posted on forums like this😉 If you go too far with negatives, the surprise would be that they launched a CL2 at all. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 22, 2021 Share #27  Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 minutes ago, wda said: If you go too far with negatives, the surprise would be that they launched a CL2 at all. Ah, but those would not be negatives for me! I'm neutral on them. And if they do add IBIS, and Nicci's Maestro III, I'm sure they'll have found a way to deal with the the battery: a bigger one, or reduced power demand elsewhere. The easiest way would be to add an integral grip bump to hold a bigger battery. Edited February 22, 2021 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22, 2021 Share #28 Â Posted February 22, 2021 And where will the heat go? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 22, 2021 Share #29  Posted February 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, jaapv said: And where will the heat go? The integral nano black hole? I'll let those who want more power intensive features suggest alternatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted February 22, 2021 Share #30  Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, wda said:  Really? I find my original Q perfect for focusing, automatically or manually. You must have some demanding subjects to capture. Focusing 24MP is way easier than 47MP. I know simple math. SL2 has no AF problem. But Q2 is crap... Original Q was my favourite Leica ever with the original Monochrom. But Q2 is my least liked one with the M9. How can it fell so low ? Just by using an inadequate old processor trying to move around far too many pixels. Edited February 22, 2021 by nicci78 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22, 2021 Share #31  Posted February 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: The integral nano black hole? I'll let those who want more power intensive features suggest alternatives. I fear that the technical answer is: Body-bloat. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted February 22, 2021 Share #32 Â Posted February 22, 2021 12 hours ago, Marac said: My M9 is being repaired right now, and I may well be tempted to sell it and get the CLII while keepeing the CL too. If the CLII is THAT good, I will have my CL converted to IR LOL The most important upgrade for me is the IBIS especially with my ever increasing shakey bones, and also it would help me with trying to photograph birds. I think the EVF is already brilliant but if they made it better then party on It would be nice to be able to select auto zoom on all MF lenses Actually, I have the same idea regarding converting my CL to infrared. Â Currently, I am very much into color IR photography, which I am doing with an IR-modified Fuji X-T20. Â The Fuji is an OK camera, but it produces heavy noise in shadowy areas. Â I hate the Fuji AF lenses that I have, so I have been using M and R lenses exclusively. Â It is very important to find lenses that do not exhibit IR hotspots. Â Then, never let those lenses go. Â If I do convert my CL to IR, I would look forward to testing my TL-23 and 35 lenses. Â If they are hot spot free, that would be a very nice bonus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted February 22, 2021 Share #33  Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) vor 29 Minuten schrieb robgo2: Actually, I have the same idea regarding converting my CL to infrared.  Currently, I am very much into color IR photography, which I am doing with an IR-modified Fuji X-T20.  The Fuji is an OK camera, but it produces heavy noise in shadowy areas.  I hate the Fuji AF lenses that I have, so I have been using M and R lenses exclusively.  It is very important to find lenses that do not exhibit IR hotspots.  Then, never let those lenses go.  If I do convert my CL to IR, I would look forward to testing my TL-23 and 35 lenses.  If they are hot spot free, that would be a very nice bonus. The 23 works on the CL for infrared. I was doing b&w IR when I tested it. It was definitely a tripod infrared camera, so a conversion would be necessary. Right now I am doing IR with an M8. Lenses can vary working with IR, a 25mm Canon I have was awful on the CL, but works well on the M8. My yard, CL 23 Summicron R72 filter. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 22, 2021 by tommonego@gmail.com 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318233-leica-cl-2/?do=findComment&comment=4146999'>More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted February 22, 2021 Share #34  Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, tommonego@gmail.com said: The 23 works on the CL for infrared. I was doing b&w IR when I tested it. It was definitely a tripod infrared camera, so a conversion would be necessary. Right now I am doing IR with an M8. Lenses can vary working with IR, a 25mm Canon I have was awful on the CL, but works well on the M8. My yard, CL 23 Summicron R72 filter. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It's curious that the same lens performs differently on different cameras (with an IR filter attached).  Could it be attributable to film vs sensor? I would love to be able to use the TL-23 for infrared photography.  With my current X-T20 setup, my widest lens is a Summicron-R 35 f/2, which is 52mm equivalent.  A lovely lens without a whiff of a hot spot. Anyhow, we have hijacked the thread, which is about a possible impending dream release of a CL2. 😃 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted February 24, 2021 Share #35  Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) Am 22.2.2021 um 15:59 schrieb jaapv: And where will the heat go? Into this very forum due to the constant camera freezes. Seriously though, the CL2 would probably have to be a bit bigger. Edited February 24, 2021 by anickpick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted February 24, 2021 Share #36  Posted February 24, 2021 Indeed...if only due to the room probably needed due to what appears to possibly be the now included sensor stabilization. No doubt they’ll strive to minimize the difference in size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkS Posted February 24, 2021 Share #37 Â Posted February 24, 2021 A bigger CL2 could help my to keep my money and stay with the CL1........ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted February 24, 2021 Share #38  Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) I see a lot of folks not wanting to see the size increased, then see images of CL’s with grips added, cases added, cases with grips added, etc, etc, so there’s a lot of voluntary bloating of the native size going on as/is, LOL.... Edited February 24, 2021 by Gregm61 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted February 24, 2021 Share #39 Â Posted February 24, 2021 Certainly, but if those who love these accessories add them to the CL2, it will be even bigger ... Guytou 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted February 25, 2021 Share #40  Posted February 25, 2021 I would love a slightly bigger CL. Current one is too small. I have to add a hand grip to it. The tiny size of CL was to provide an alternative to X2. But TL 18mm pancake lens still not make the CL a pocketable camera. So it would be better to have a camera better suited to bigger TL 35, 60, 11-23, 55-135 & even bigger SL 28, 35, 50, 75, 90mm lenses. And if you still want a tiny camera you can still keep the CL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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