lct Posted February 25, 2021 Share #41 Posted February 25, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) At the risk for Leica to offer not only FF cameras as bulky as compact MF's but also one APS camera as big as compact FF's or almost so. BTW i did not check but i wonder if the CL is not one of the bigger APS mirrorless yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EUSe Posted February 25, 2021 Share #42 Posted February 25, 2021 If the CL2 turns out to be substantially larger than the old one, I will buy an SL2-S. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 25, 2021 Share #43 Posted February 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, EUSe said: If the CL2 turns out to be substantially larger than the old one, I will buy an SL2-S. Which is why Leica will probably not do that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUSe Posted February 25, 2021 Share #44 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) vor 57 Minuten schrieb wda: Which is why Leica will probably not do that. I quite agree. I suppose it will be Q-sized. Edited February 25, 2021 by EUSe Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfan100 Posted February 27, 2021 Share #45 Posted February 27, 2021 On 2/25/2021 at 12:36 PM, EUSe said: If the CL2 turns out to be substantially larger than the old one, I will buy an SL2-S. That's my feeling exactly. I was, and maybe still am, on the brink of buying the SL2-S, but I decided to hold off when the CL#2 rumour first floated. There are some things I'd like from an updated CL, but more bulk isn't one of them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick in CO Posted February 27, 2021 Share #46 Posted February 27, 2021 So many are opposed to a larger/bulkier CL2. What if Leica went back to basics with the CL2? No Video or Live View, upgrade the EVF instead, put in IBIS and weather sealing, release it with Maestro III for the improved sensor, and call it the CL-D. Back to the concept of the original film CL! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 27, 2021 Share #47 Posted February 27, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 minutes ago, Rick in CO said: So many are opposed to a larger/bulkier CL2. What if Leica went back to basics with the CL2? No Video or Live View, upgrade the EVF instead, put in IBIS and weather sealing, release it with Maestro III for the improved sensor, and call it the CL-D. Back to the concept of the original film CL! The prospect of a modern Leica being given the retro treatment is not appealing. Let's keep that sort of stuff for the M. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted February 27, 2021 Share #48 Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Rick in CO said: So many are opposed to a larger/bulkier CL2. What if Leica went back to basics with the CL2? No Video or Live View, upgrade the EVF instead, put in IBIS and weather sealing, release it with Maestro III for the improved sensor, and call it the CL-D. Back to the concept of the original film CL! Personally, I can do without video, but a modern camera without live view will die on the vine. Too many people nowadays like shooting that way, and I am one of them (some of the time). The target market for a CL2 must be attracted to the camera, or they won’t but it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted February 27, 2021 Share #49 Posted February 27, 2021 On 2/25/2021 at 6:38 AM, nicci78 said: I would love a slightly bigger CL. Current one is too small. I have to add a hand grip to it. Ditto. Not averse to the CL2 = CL+handgrip Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskkyle Posted February 27, 2021 Share #50 Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) I’d be all for a CL2 which is a little bigger to accommodate the newer technology and with better ergonomics in the hand. It could also be Leica’s answer to those who have wished for a smaller SL-type and become and a more rounded, hybrid, APS-C camera that directly challenges the competition. Edited February 27, 2021 by ruskkyle 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted February 27, 2021 Share #51 Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) Just as a reminder SL2-S + SL lenses is considerably bigger than CL with TL optics a slightly bigger CL will still be more attractive than huge SL2-S Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 27, 2021 by nicci78 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318233-leica-cl-2/?do=findComment&comment=4150132'>More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted February 27, 2021 Share #52 Posted February 27, 2021 34 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Just as a reminder SL2-S + SL lenses is considerably bigger than CL with TL optics a slightly bigger CL will still be more attractive than huge SL2-S Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks for posting those size comparisons. I think that some people have lost their sense of perspective. 🙃 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcolinger Posted February 27, 2021 Share #53 Posted February 27, 2021 I have one of the first SL 2. I don’t use it as it is to havy. I own most of the recent Leica but my preferred remains the CL. I never found another Leica so light and so performing. CL 2 must have the same dimension and wight otherwise I will not buy it. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted February 27, 2021 Share #54 Posted February 27, 2021 I was in Best Buy today, picking up a new external hard drive, wondered into the camera section and handled some setups I've never had in-hand before. The Canon R with 24-105mm f4, Nikon Z with the 24-70mm f4, neither of which would be anything I'd care to use over a CL outfit, but the biggest honking setup of all was a Sony A7 series (didn't look close enough to know the exact model) with the 12-24mm f2.8, a lens with a front element that'd make any Carl Zeiss lens for a Hasselblad jealous with envy. The 11-23 I use on the CL is small compared to the 7-14mm f2.8 M. Zuiko I used on my OMD outfit, but the 11-23 is downright toy-like compared to that 12-24mm f2.8 Sony. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted February 27, 2021 Share #55 Posted February 27, 2021 The designers at Leica taking instruction from the forum members Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318233-leica-cl-2/?do=findComment&comment=4150234'>More sharing options...
lct Posted February 27, 2021 Share #56 Posted February 27, 2021 2 hours ago, robgo2 said: Thanks for posting those size comparisons. I think that some people have lost their sense of perspective. You mean between monstrous FF and not-so-compact APS bodies? Remember how tiny the film CL was. I wish Leica was able to do the same in the digital world. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yggdra.omega Posted February 27, 2021 Share #57 Posted February 27, 2021 I am excited for the prospect of a higher performing APSC Leica. I’ve got great M glass, an 18mm TL, and a 24-90SL in the mail. I’d love to get more into the CL / TL system, especially if the rumored CL2 shares the same SL/SL2/Q2 battery. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted February 28, 2021 Share #58 Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, lct said: You mean between monstrous FF and not-so-compact APS bodies? Remember how tiny the film CL was. I wish Leica was able to do the same in the digital world. My CL (the digital one) is the same size as my 1932 model D (the film one). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 28, 2021 Share #59 Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, oldwino said: My CL (the digital one) is the same size as my 1932 model D (the film one). Film CL: 121mm x 76mm x 32mm (https://tinyurl.com/y787nu9w) Leica II (model D): 133mm x 67mm x 33 mm (https://tinyurl.com/ybmch8lp) Digital CL: 131mm x 78mm x 45mm (https://tinyurl.com/su44pky8) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted February 28, 2021 Share #60 Posted February 28, 2021 We can all agree that : - digital telecentric lens is bigger than film one. - battery + sensor + IBIS + motherboard are bigger than a film cassette. - AF lens is bigger than MF one. - APS-C sensor are already better than 24x36 film. So realistically a digital full frame CL with the same size as analog full frame may be feasible without shutter mechanism. À la Sigma fp. But we may never see an AF Summicron full frame 40mm f/2 as small as old manual Summicron-C 2/40mm of original CL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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