martinot Posted February 17, 2021 Share #241 Posted February 17, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 2/11/2021 at 10:23 PM, Steven said: Is it really bad that my wish for the future M is that it has a high quality EVF instead of OVF? Yes. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #242 Posted February 17, 2021 No and hopefully it will come Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted February 17, 2021 Share #243 Posted February 17, 2021 6 hours ago, cirke said: No and hopefully it will come I sincerely hope not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #244 Posted February 17, 2021 There is enough room for 2 M RF and EVF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted February 17, 2021 Share #245 Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, cirke said: There is enough room for 2 M RF and EVF I think that it has been shown that it would not be possible, at the present time, to fit a RF and EVF in the M body. We should not forget that the M series are Rangefinder cameras and have been designed as such with development over nearly 100 years. I have nothing against EVFs but they are much better suited for autofocus cameras (I have a Fuji X-Pro2 and it is superb). For what the M series has been designed for the RF is the preferred option. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #246 Posted February 17, 2021 it will come anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted February 17, 2021 Share #247 Posted February 17, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is beginning to resemble a Monty Python skit 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 17, 2021 Share #248 Posted February 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Matlock said: I have nothing against EVFs but they are much better suited for autofocus cameras (I have a Fuji X-Pro2 and it is superb). For what the M series has been designed for the RF is the preferred option. Don't count me in please. I mostly use my mirrorless cameras with manual lenses, M and R ones essentially, and they work fine this way, often better so than my rangefinders i must say. There is some room for both anyway so i don't even understand that it can be an issue for anybody. YMMV. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted February 17, 2021 Share #249 Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, lct said: Don't count me in please. I mostly use my mirrorless cameras with manual lenses, M and R ones essentially, and they work fine this way, often better so than my rangefinders i must say. There is some room for both anyway so i don't even understand that it can be an issue for anybody. YMMV. I am inclined to agree with you regarding it not being an issue. As you say, there is room for both points of view, each to their own. The thing that gets me is that people seem to want to convert a rangefinder designed system into an EVF system which is rather illogical given that the lenses (and cameras) are designed for rangefinder use. It would be far better to produce two parallel systems but we have to realise that Leica is a fairly small operation and that would probably not be viable. My most used M10 is my M10-D and the simplicity of just using the rangefinder is what makes it so special. I have my Visoflex 020 for non rangefinder lenses if needed. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #250 Posted February 17, 2021 Leica will definitively sell a M with EVF for M mount only from my pocket that would be 30k euros at least without EVF : never again ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 17, 2021 Share #251 Posted February 17, 2021 I'm no armchair CEO but rangefinders have optical limits which rend them more and more difficult to use with large sensors and fast lenses to the point that nailing focus is simply impossible w/o focus bracketing or using an EVF if one wants to watch pics at full magnification. Offering a competent Visoflex could be a solution but the current ones are so sluggish that i wonder if it is possible to do better in a mere hot shoe accessory, if even Leica wanted to do an effort in that direction... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #252 Posted February 17, 2021 a M with the Sony A1 EVF and it would be my only camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 17, 2021 Share #253 Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, cirke said: Leica will definitively sell a M with EVF for M mount only from my pocket that would be 30k euros at least without EVF : never again ! I really can't understand this utter contempt for rangefinders. Looking at the sales figures I'd conclude there are certainly enough of us who like using them to induce Leica to continue the M line, and by M line I mean cameras with rangefinders. Anything else is no longer an M. For those who just have to have an EVF, why not get a CL with the M to L adapter for your M lenses? They're great little cameras. Edited February 17, 2021 by fotografr 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted February 17, 2021 Share #254 Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, cirke said: Leica will definitively sell a M with EVF for M mount only from my pocket that would be 30k euros at least without EVF : never again ! a M with EVF for M mount nonsensical statement. Edited February 17, 2021 by lucerne clarity 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegon Posted February 17, 2021 Share #255 Posted February 17, 2021 vor 13 Minuten schrieb fotografr: and by M line I mean cameras with rangefinders. Anything else is no longer an M. The discussion is absurd... M=Messsucher=rangefinder... With an EVF it's not a rangefinder anymore and the product name "M" would become obsolete... The "M" is something else then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #256 Posted February 17, 2021 Noctilux lenses + >= 50 mp + RF IS a nonsense 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #257 Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, kegon said: The discussion is absurd... M=Messsucher=rangefinder... With an EVF it's not a rangefinder anymore and the product name "M" would become obsolete... The "M" is something else then. 100 years ago for films anyway you can turn it as you want , like it or not, it will come because there is a need Edited February 17, 2021 by cirke 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #258 Posted February 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, fotografr said: For those who just have to have an EVF, why not get a CL with the M to L adapter for your M lenses? They're great little cameras. A 50 mm Noctilux to use on APS-C sensor ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted February 17, 2021 Share #259 Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) On 1/31/2021 at 3:50 PM, Mr.Prime said: An EFV isn’t an ‘M’ thing because it won’t show what’s outside the frame. It would be a different camera. I’m hoping they will make a CL-2 that is more M-like. Agreed, I think we should all take a moment and look up what the M actually refers to. See Kegon 267 above ! (Sorry I jumped in without reading this page!) John Edited February 17, 2021 by jpattison 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 17, 2021 Share #260 Posted February 17, 2021 The Leica IIIf was a rangefinder but wasn't an M and the Leica M1, MD and MD-2 are Leica M's sans rangefinder. Only common points between Leica Ms are the M mount and M lenses of course, what else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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