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willeica Posted April 18 Share #82 Posted April 18 I thought that I had posted this before, but I don't see it on this thread. This is my No 1671 which started off as a I Model A in 1926, but was converted to a IIf in the 1950s. It might also have received some 'intermediate conversion' in the 1930s, as it has the same diopter control as the III and IIIa. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! According to the Leica Archive: "The Serial 1671 was shipped on July 5th, 1926 to „Kopenhagen“ the recipient is not noted. The camera was in our workshop for repair on 22.05.28 , what was done is not noted. There is no entry from the 1950s in the old maintenance books." The conversion is to a pre-diecast camera (as regards size etc) and 'Kopenhagen' fits with the fact I bought this from neighbouring Sweden. The conversion to a IIf looks professionally done and I suspect it was done in Wetzlar, despite the absence of records. The lens has no serial number. The camera takes nice pictures, but there is some light leak from around the top plate. Maybe, it is a bit of a Frankenstein camera, but I like it. I mainly bought it because I already owned No 1661. William 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! According to the Leica Archive: "The Serial 1671 was shipped on July 5th, 1926 to „Kopenhagen“ the recipient is not noted. The camera was in our workshop for repair on 22.05.28 , what was done is not noted. There is no entry from the 1950s in the old maintenance books." The conversion is to a pre-diecast camera (as regards size etc) and 'Kopenhagen' fits with the fact I bought this from neighbouring Sweden. The conversion to a IIf looks professionally done and I suspect it was done in Wetzlar, despite the absence of records. The lens has no serial number. The camera takes nice pictures, but there is some light leak from around the top plate. Maybe, it is a bit of a Frankenstein camera, but I like it. I mainly bought it because I already owned No 1661. William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314514-conversions-upgrades-modiefied-ones/?do=findComment&comment=5788606'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 19 Share #83 Posted April 19 That's a really strange item, Will ! But I agree that its oddity is also its beauty ... a jump from I to IIf ("IIf - like" is more correct) is probably a world record 😎 Even the Elmar is intriguing... unnumbered, but scale to f16 and the "detailed" distance scale (typical of the f22s, I think) ... 2 or maybe 3 Elmars used to assemble this one 😁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted April 19 Share #84 Posted April 19 (edited) 20 minutes ago, luigi bertolotti said: That's a really strange item, Will ! But I agree that its oddity is also its beauty ... a jump from I to IIf ("IIf - like" is more correct) is probably a world record 😎 Even the Elmar is intriguing... unnumbered, but scale to f16 and the "detailed" distance scale (typical of the f22s, I think) ... 2 or maybe 3 Elmars used to assemble this one 😁 Luigi, the auctioneer declared that a lot of the parts had been changed. I’d have to have someone like Jerzy strip it down for me to determine which parts were original. To me it looks like the shoe and part of the top plate are original. There has to be a lot of replacement of shutter parts to give 1,000th of a second and other speeds which may explain the ‘cover’ over where a slow speed regulator would normally be on a III. IIc and IIf cameras normally had this. Still, it is an intriguing camera and, leaving aside I Model A heritage, a black IIf is a rarity in itself. William Edited April 19 by willeica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted April 19 Share #85 Posted April 19 Hi William, I believe there is nothing from original IA on your converted camera. Top plate has white paint fillings, not bismuth and 6 screws. Cameras below 2400 were shorter by 0,5mm, postwar body shell would not fit anymore. What was modified in 1928 is hard to say, I do not thing that any part from this time remained. Well, optics could be still original, mount is however postwar (distance scale and f16). Lower-/uppercase lettering (GmbH...) indicates conversion before 1954. Assuming that the lens (optics) is original I would rather think that conversion has been done 1951/52. Later conversion would end up with red scale Elmar mount. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted April 19 Share #86 Posted April 19 20 minutes ago, jerzy said: Hi William, I believe there is nothing from original IA on your converted camera. Top plate has white paint fillings, not bismuth and 6 screws. Cameras below 2400 were shorter by 0,5mm, postwar body shell would not fit anymore. What was modified in 1928 is hard to say, I do not thing that any part from this time remained. Well, optics could be still original, mount is however postwar (distance scale and f16). Lower-/uppercase lettering (GmbH...) indicates conversion before 1954. Assuming that the lens (optics) is original I would rather think that conversion has been done 1951/52. Later conversion would end up with red scale Elmar mount. Thanks, Jerzy. The only fillings I can see are the R and A and related arrows. The rangefinder housing is obviously not from the 1920s. I will take some photos of the interior and email them to you. I suspect that there are only a few parts from the original, possible the unnumbered lens element and the shoe. What remains inside from the original 1671 would probably need stripping down to determine fully. I will also compare the width and the interior with 1661 and 1783, which are in my collection. I will post again here when I get those checks done. I would not be up to stripping down the camera. William PS I will be in Vienna next month from 14th to 18th May. Maybe we might finally meet up for a coffee? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted April 19 Share #87 Posted April 19 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 6 Stunden schrieb willeica: I will be in Vienna next month from 14th to 18th May. Maybe we might finally meet up for a coffee? would be great, let us communicate via PN or email 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted May 7 Share #88 Posted May 7 I just bought another Leica Standard, with a 50mm f3.5 Elmar. Leitz tell me that the camera body, No. 183660, was shipped to Augsburg on 6 January 1936. And the lens, No. 122472, was shipped on 9 May 1932. They have no record of later servicing on either camera or lens. What is odd is that the lens is 11 o'clock but chromed. As far as I understand an 11 o'clock lens should be nickel. It is standardised but not coated. As Leitz have no record of it being chromed presumably a third party chromed it and left it as 11 o'clock ? Or was there a transitional period in 1931-32 when 11 o'clock lenses were still being made but finished in chrome rather than nickel? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314514-conversions-upgrades-modiefied-ones/?do=findComment&comment=5798103'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 7 Share #89 Posted May 7 (edited) Your lens shows another oddity: it is engraved "50mm". We are used to engraving of "5cm" for the Elmar with the exception of very early ones, which are mostly not numbered. Though indeed Thiele lists the batch from 122.247 - 122.868 from 1932 as "50mm", whilst his numbering of "5cm" only starts with 222.001 in 1934. This can't be right as my 143.363 and 179.426 (both in nickel) are engraved "5cm" though Thiele list the batches as "50mm". My Hektor 123671 which Thiele also lists as "50mm" is engraved "5cm", in nickel and has the 11 o'clock position. Lager says that chrome lenses were catalogued since 1933. According to the "Tagebuch für Leica Änderungen - Leica Montage I" they took the first tests for chroming the cameras in January 1933, the first produced models were Leica II 108151 -108406. The 11 o'clock position was abandoned because it collided with the camera's knob for long shutter times introduced with the Leica III. Lager says that the change from 11 to 7 o'clock took place in late 1932 or early 1933. The "Tagebuch" gives May 1933 as the start of production of the Leica III. So there was a rather short time span between January 1993 when chroming was certainly introduced for cameras (and probably also for lenses) and the abandonment of the 11 o'clock position before the introduction of the Leica III in May. You cannot rule out that they produced some items already in chrome but still with the 11 o'clock position during these weeks. Or - perhaps more probable - the batch from 122.247 - 122.868 was not fully produced at its time and they filled up the numbers with lenses produced perhaps years later. One might even assume that some lenses were produced with 11 o'clock position on customer's request later and the numbers of an earlier not produced batch were used for these outliers. The engraving with "50mm" remains a riddle. Perhaps some engraver dreamt of good old times? Let's see if the Forum knows more items from this batch. Edited May 7 by UliWer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 7 Share #90 Posted May 7 There is even a fourth oddity: it has an capital "F" in the engraving, all my lenses mentioned above have the usual "f". Lager vol. II p. 30 shows some examples with the capital "F", "50mm" and 11 o'clock position. On one photo I can read the number of the lens 124322. this lens has the so called "pin release" knob like my Hektor mentioned above. My both Elmars mentioned above have the so called "domed release" knob like yours. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted May 8 Share #91 Posted May 8 remark to lens that Pyrogallol shown - it is so called pin release however with lost pin. Was replaced with domed shaped pin. years ago, together with William (willeica) we started an excercise inspecting various variants of Elmar 5cm. We made following findings: - highest one with F and 50mm: 187569, Nickel, 7 oclock - 122863 is nickeled, 7 oclock (no notice about F/f and - 123952 is chromed, 7 oclock with F and 50mm - those above are just few exceptions, vast majority in 122xxx/123xxx batches are nickeled, pin release, 11 oclock and F/50mm Below is my example. 163348, nickeled, 7 oclock Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314514-conversions-upgrades-modiefied-ones/?do=findComment&comment=5798534'>More sharing options...
dannat Posted May 18 Share #92 Posted May 18 is this a copy? missing gmbh, Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314514-conversions-upgrades-modiefied-ones/?do=findComment&comment=5803946'>More sharing options...
alan mcfall Posted May 18 Share #93 Posted May 18 Original IIF, 1952. GMBH was a little later. I have IIF 613243 and it still has the DRP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpotmaticSP Posted May 19 Share #94 Posted May 19 (edited) Interesting way to obtain infinity on my unnumbered 11 o'clock nickel standardized 50mm Elmar marked with a "4" under the focus tab. I have not seen other examples with such a "infinity screw" (but I haven't seen them all). It was obviously coated later in its life; no idea if this was the original lens of the Leica I model C no. 61968 I recently bought. According to Leitz the camera was delivered on the 5th of June, 1931 to Berlin. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited May 19 by SpotmaticSP Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314514-conversions-upgrades-modiefied-ones/?do=findComment&comment=5804337'>More sharing options...
SpotmaticSP Posted May 19 Share #95 Posted May 19 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314514-conversions-upgrades-modiefied-ones/?do=findComment&comment=5804338'>More sharing options...
SpotmaticSP Posted May 19 Share #96 Posted May 19 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314514-conversions-upgrades-modiefied-ones/?do=findComment&comment=5804339'>More sharing options...
SpotmaticSP Posted May 19 Share #97 Posted May 19 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314514-conversions-upgrades-modiefied-ones/?do=findComment&comment=5804341'>More sharing options...
jerzy Posted May 20 Share #98 Posted May 20 you have one of known versions, it does not have infinity lock. Lens flange is smaller then the flange on the camera, in later version, with infinity lock flange on lens was increased in size matching flange on the camera. Your lens has most probably its own serial, stamped inside, similar to example below, Serial on you lens shall be late 84xxx or early 85xxx Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314514-conversions-upgrades-modiefied-ones/?do=findComment&comment=5804512'>More sharing options...
SpotmaticSP Posted May 20 Share #99 Posted May 20 Thanks Jerzy! Yes, you are right. Although my post was about the infinity stop screw, which looks different to anything I have seen before. Have you seen that screw + larger diameter washer before in other Elmars? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted May 20 Share #100 Posted May 20 vor 4 Stunden schrieb SpotmaticSP: Have you seen that screw + larger diameter washer before in other Elmars? yes, on some fixed Elmars (IA) and 11 oclock without infinity lock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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