dummilux Posted November 6, 2020 Share #221 Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Kolari is returning my M9-P untouched because according to them the P models use a different glue than the standard models. The first message I received: “We hope all is well. We're reaching out because we received your camera but unfortunately, we do not have support for the Leica M9-P. At the moment, we are only able to convert the Leica M9. Your camera is in its original state and will be sent back to you. Let us know if you have any questions or concerns.“ I asked them why and received this response: “The glue that they use on the cover glass for the M9-P and M Monochrome is a lot more difficult to remove without potentially damaging the camera. For this reason, we are not able to safely repair the M9-P or the M Monochrome.” Isn’t the M9-P the same camera as the M9? I mean apart from the paint job and rear display. Edited November 6, 2020 by dummilux 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jadon Rosado Posted November 6, 2020 Share #222 Posted November 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, dummilux said: Kolari is returning my M9-P untouched because according to them the P models use a different glue than the standard models. The first message I received: “We hope all is well. We're reaching out because we received your camera but unfortunately, we do not have support for the Leica M9-P. At the moment, we are only able to convert the Leica M9. Your camera is in its original state and will be sent back to you. Let us know if you have any questions or concerns.“ I asked them why and received this response: “The glue that they use on the cover glass for the M9-P and M Monochrome is a lot more difficult to remove without potentially damaging the camera. For this reason, we are not able to safely repair the M9-P or the M Monochrome.” Isn’t the M9-P the same camera as the M9? I mean apart from the paint job and rear display. Interesting, Leica uses a really thick epoxy to attach the cover glass to the sensors, I use hot air and a blade to remove them and it works like a charm. Some are a bit tougher than others but it eventually comes off... I personally haven’t had the M9p on my bench for the conversion yet but I can’t see how the sensor in that is any different than the original, same for the monochrome. In my experience in the camera repair industry I’ve found that larger companies work like assembly lines and the second there’s something that interferes with the projected turn around time (ie. epoxy, rusted parts, component level trouble shooting) they usually send it back as “unrepairable” or “requires factory service” I encourage you to send it over to me to take a look, I’m willing to bet that the epoxy just needs to be cut off. best, Jadon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummilux Posted November 6, 2020 Share #223 Posted November 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jadon Rosado said: Interesting, Leica uses a really thick epoxy to attach the cover glass to the sensors, I use hot air and a blade to remove them and it works like a charm. Some are a bit tougher than others but it eventually comes off... I personally haven’t had the M9p on my bench for the conversion yet but I can’t see how the sensor in that is any different than the original, same for the monochrome. In my experience in the camera repair industry I’ve found that larger companies work like assembly lines and the second there’s something that interferes with the projected turn around time (ie. epoxy, rusted parts, component level trouble shooting) they usually send it back as “unrepairable” or “requires factory service” I encourage you to send it over to me to take a look, I’m willing to bet that the epoxy just needs to be cut off. best, Jadon I’m about to PM you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
codocee Posted November 6, 2020 Share #224 Posted November 6, 2020 Kolari states: At the moment, we are only able to convert the Leica M9. I’m holding out hope for the future. I’ll keep checking here for a monochrome success story. C’mon Kolari! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummilux Posted November 13, 2020 Share #225 Posted November 13, 2020 After giving it some thought, I decided to contact Leica and they let me know that they still have a couple of sensors left. Their recommendation was to ship my camera ASAP since it's first come first serve for these last pieces. So, I bit the bullet and sent my M9-P to New Jersey. I requested that they send my old sensor back thinking maybe Jadon could use it for some tests but this was their response: "Good afternoon, I sincerely apologize, the factory requires we send them back to them. Kind regards" So, it seems that they're doing the same thing. Refurbishing sensors as opposed to replacing. I mean, why else would they need the old ones back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllewellyn Posted November 13, 2020 Share #226 Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) No - they are not refurbing. They are actually replacing the sensor. Leica doesn't know how to change the epoxied coverglass/ICF. I wonder if they would replace the sensor if you send the camera to them with the sensor removed? It is a shame because all those sensors they have been removing are probably getting destroyed when they would be useful for R&D and shops that can replace the coverglass. Back when I started converting Nikon D800 cameras to monochrome, Nikon had stopped selling parts so I couldn't buy sensors when I broke them while trying to figure out the conversion process. So I would buy a new D800, try, and if the sensor was killed, I would send the camera to Nikon without the sensor for repair. Each repair was costing me $2,000. Nikon's policy was that they would repair the camera to factory stock so I would get the camera back with a new sensor installed. Out of the first 20 D800 monochrome conversion attempts, 4 were successful . R&D can be expensive! Edited November 13, 2020 by dllewellyn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristyansen Posted November 14, 2020 Share #227 Posted November 14, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Am 13.11.2020 um 20:52 schrieb dllewellyn: No - they are not refurbing. They are actually replacing the sensor. Leica doesn't know how to change the epoxied coverglass/ICF. I wonder if they would replace the sensor if you send the camera to them with the sensor removed? It is a shame because all those sensors they have been removing are probably getting destroyed when they would be useful for R&D and shops that can replace the coverglass. Back when I started converting Nikon D800 cameras to monochrome, Nikon had stopped selling parts so I couldn't buy sensors when I broke them while trying to figure out the conversion process. So I would buy a new D800, try, and if the sensor was killed, I would send the camera to Nikon without the sensor for repair. Each repair was costing me $2,000. Nikon's policy was that they would repair the camera to factory stock so I would get the camera back with a new sensor installed. Out of the first 20 D800 monochrome conversion attempts, 4 were successful . R&D can be expensive! The condition for the M9 sensor to be replaced by Leica is to have confirmed sensor corrosion. Without sensor, this would not be possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS Posted November 19, 2020 Share #228 Posted November 19, 2020 On my two cameras sent for sensor replacement: Leica replaced the Sensor and Board that the sensor is on. The Sensor CCD ID is different from the original. Somewhere- there is a stack of old sensors and boards. To valuable to just throw them out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2020 Share #229 Posted November 19, 2020 What is the value of a 20 year old design CCD sensor with corrosion? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2020 Share #230 Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/13/2020 at 8:20 PM, dummilux said: I mean, why else would they need the old ones back? Legal requirements to dispose environmentally safe. See the crossed-out bin on the bottom of your camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted November 19, 2020 Share #231 Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, jaapv said: What is the value of a 20 year old design CCD sensor with corrosion? To the two or three changing the cover glass and converting to mono? A couple of hundred each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS Posted November 20, 2020 Share #232 Posted November 20, 2020 To someone using a KAF-18500 in a piece of scientific equipment: a good bit. It is possible to fix the cover glass. I've had to purchase obsolete parts before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dot-me-not Posted November 22, 2020 Share #233 Posted November 22, 2020 This has been a fascinating thread. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymondl Posted November 22, 2020 Share #234 Posted November 22, 2020 5 hours ago, dot-me-not said: This has been a fascinating thread. I pretty much joined this forum because of this thread 🤪 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
liu2k3L Posted November 26, 2020 Share #235 Posted November 26, 2020 On 11/14/2020 at 3:20 AM, dummilux said: After giving it some thought, I decided to contact Leica and they let me know that they still have a couple of sensors left. Their recommendation was to ship my camera ASAP since it's first come first serve for these last pieces. So, I bit the bullet and sent my M9-P to New Jersey. I requested that they send my old sensor back thinking maybe Jadon could use it for some tests but this was their response: "Good afternoon, I sincerely apologize, the factory requires we send them back to them. Kind regards" So, it seems that they're doing the same thing. Refurbishing sensors as opposed to replacing. I mean, why else would they need the old ones back? I am interested to know if you contacted Leica in US. Because when I contacted Leica Germany about my corroded M9, they replied that there was no sensor left on stock. So I've already sent mine to Kolari vision. Too bad. I would choose to change the whole CCD rather than only the cover glass if possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummilux Posted November 26, 2020 Share #236 Posted November 26, 2020 53 minutes ago, liu2k3L said: I am interested to know if you contacted Leica in US. Because when I contacted Leica Germany about my corroded M9, they replied that there was no sensor left on stock. So I've already sent mine to Kolari vision. Too bad. I would choose to change the whole CCD rather than only the cover glass if possible. I contacted Leica in the US. Here is her info: Stacey McHenry Manager of Customer Care Leica Camera Inc. | 1 Pearl Court Unit A | Allendale, NJ 07401 | USA T +1 800 222 0118 | Direct Line +1 201 962 9922 | F +1 201 995 1984 stacey.mchenry@leicacamerausa.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted November 27, 2020 Share #237 Posted November 27, 2020 Without a Leica fix, best solution is trade in and you get a little money. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummilux Posted November 27, 2020 Share #238 Posted November 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, tobey bilek said: Without a Leica fix, best solution is trade in and you get a little money. But then you won’t have an M9 anymore. Lol. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristyansen Posted November 30, 2020 Share #239 Posted November 30, 2020 Dear All, any other test photos and experiences to post here? That would be great! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P1505 Posted December 4, 2020 Share #240 Posted December 4, 2020 Yeah I’d like to see images from a Kolari fixed M9. Mine will go off in the new year after I’ve bought the M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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