Got my m10-R today. Sending it back tomorrow

[scott kirkpatrick]

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12 hours ago, steve 1959 said:

I would argue that this fault and thread is bad publicity for leica.

Yes, because it reinforces the Veblen Goods story, that Leica's cameras are only purchased by collectors of precious objects, and certainly not intended for the rough-and-tumble of taking meaningful pictures.

[Chaemono]

PhotonsToPhotos M10-R sensor measurement: https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M10-R. Not seeing much difference in DR to the M10-P.

[Kwesi]

3 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Yes, because it reinforces the Veblen Goods story, that Leica's cameras are only purchased by collectors of precious objects, and certainly not intended for the rough-and-tumble of taking meaningful pictures.

One shouldn't over look the fact that Leica has played a major role in promoting this perception of the M as a Veblen Good. The Hodinkee M is the most recent one that comes to mind.

[scott kirkpatrick]

I wasn't saying whose fault all thie Veblenology is.  I'm just reluctant to propagate it  I think I'll wear a mask...

Edited August 8, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick

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1 hour ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Yes, because it reinforces the Veblen Goods story, that Leica's cameras are only purchased by collectors of precious objects, and certainly not intended for the rough-and-tumble of taking meaningful pictures.

If you £500 for a new camera you expect it to be in perfect brand new condition,same applies with a £7,000 camera.

The wear and signs of use come after you er well actually use it,not before!

Edited August 8, 2020 by steve 1959

[Gobert]

TS has probably received a cheap Chinese fake.

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2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

On what basis? That reports here are representative of actual fault frequency? That Leica doesn't deal with faults when they occur, when the OP has not yet had a response from Leica? Or because paying as much as we do for Leicas means there should never, ever, be any faults, even in the real world?

Its a simple fact that a story like this is bad publicity regardless of anything.

[budjames]

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[250swb]

1 hour ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Yes, because it reinforces the Veblen Goods story, that Leica's cameras are only purchased by collectors of precious objects, and certainly not intended for the rough-and-tumble of taking meaningful pictures.

The instinct to post about a problem on a forum before even getting an answer from Leica kind of points in the same direction. 

16 minutes ago, steve 1959 said:

Its a simple fact that a story like this is bad publicity regardless of anything.

As for 'bad publicity' who the heck do you think is reading this forum? The vast majority aren't going to stop using or buying Leica's based on this pathetic story despite a minority trying to whip up a panic and start a stampede. The OP decided to stir up some shit and get a gang together, it hasn't worked, but to say it's bad publicity is hysteria considering you don't know how Leica will deal with it yet. If they do nothing, that is bad publicity.

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39 minutes ago, steve 1959 said:

Its a simple fact that a story like this is bad publicity regardless of anything.

Yes, I can see it going viral.......

[Mikep996]

1 hour ago, 250swb said:

The instinct to post about a problem on a forum before even getting an answer from Leica kind of points in the same direction. 

Good point.   

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2 hours ago, 250swb said:

The instinct to post about a problem on a forum before even getting an answer from Leica kind of points in the same direction. 

As for 'bad publicity' who the heck do you think is reading this forum? The vast majority aren't going to stop using or buying Leica's based on this pathetic story despite a minority trying to whip up a panic and start a stampede. The OP decided to stir up some shit and get a gang together, it hasn't worked, but to say it's bad publicity is hysteria considering you don't know how Leica will deal with it yet. If they do nothing, that is bad publicity.

Social media is quite powerful in my view and when i was finally in position to buy a leica m one of the first things i did was join the forum. to get extra information.

This paint issue is probably a one off tiny issue but it still is bad publicity.

Regarding the op maybe he was very angry and felt it justified the post? 

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16 minutes ago, steve 1959 said:

Social media is quite powerful in my view and when i was finally in position to buy a leica m one of the first things i did was join the forum. to get extra information.

This paint issue is probably a one off tiny issue but it still is bad publicity.

Regarding the op maybe he was very angry and felt it justified the post? 

So presumably in reading the forum you sensibly considered that while there were may be a few problems here and there (although some people seem to be serially unlucky) these problem posts were far outweighed by the thousands and thousands of people staying quiet because there is no problem to report, so you felt there is no reason to put you off a purchase? This is how sensible people look at it, so to say it is bad publicity for Leica with ONE example of bad engraving being reported don't you think it falls into the internet trope of over-exaggeration?

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36 minutes ago, 250swb said:

So presumably in reading the forum you sensibly considered that while there were may be a few problems here and there (although some people seem to be serially unlucky) these problem posts were far outweighed by the thousands and thousands of people staying quiet because there is no problem to report, so you felt there is no reason to put you off a purchase? This is how sensible people look at it, so to say it is bad publicity for Leica with ONE example of bad engraving being reported don't you think it falls into the internet trope of over-exaggeration?

Right now its a small piece of bad publicity because its one person but a smallish company making expensive items have to be extra careful with their quality assurance in my view.

Sometimes on a forum a problem comes up over and over again like lousy face detection for example on the Q ,so a public forum can be useful for potential customers to at least take into account certain issues.

 

[Reini]

Yes it's bad advertising. It's just not an electronic problem and not a technical one that can occur anywhere. You can't miss this. At the latest, the cleaning lady should have seen it dusted off and packed up the last time ... :()

What would you think if you bought a Mercedes ... and the star is missing in the front? ;))

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If you obviously don't like the engraved ISO value, I would see the problem as an opportunity to customize your camera. 

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[Chaemono]

vor 37 Minuten schrieb Reini:

Yes it's bad advertising. It's just not an electronic problem and not a technical one that can occur anywhere. You can't miss this. At the latest, the cleaning lady should have seen it dusted off and packed up the last time ... :()

What would you think if you bought a Mercedes ... and the star is missing in the front? ;))

I once bought a BMW and the 320d lettering on the back was sloping downwards. Kept it. 😂

[Reini]

vor 59 Minuten schrieb Chaemono:

I once bought a BMW and the 320d lettering on the back was sloping downwards. Kept it. 😂

BMW drivers are weird types anyway. 😄 😉

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On 8/6/2020 at 12:31 PM, 250swb said:

That is what a paint stick is, it's made to fill engravings by rubbing it over the engraving and it leaves a filling of oil paint mixed with wax in the depression. Wipe off any excess from the surface leaving a pristine infill which fully dries over the next couple of weeks.

Ya know, I've seen these things in stores for decades and it's never dawned on me to use one to fix white lettering that's fallen out of engraved lettering.  I've always done it with model airplane paint and scraped off the excess.  This looks like a significantly superior method and I'm a bit annoyed I didn't discover it for myself.  Thanks for mentioning this.

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[Mikep996]

Yep, they are very handy.  The yellow and the white paint sticks are great for refreshing the 'engraving' on Gibson Hummingbird pick guards! Same issue - paint missing though in this case it naturally wears off in use over the years.  Most buyers of old (vintage) Hummingbirds would prefer to see the wear; buyers of new ones would not!