Trading in an M10 for an SL2?

[sunil]

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Is anyone on this forum considering selling or trading in their M10 for an SL2? The thought has crossed my mind because my 60 year old eyes aren't what they used to be. However, every time I handle my M-10P, I banish the thought. I used to have an SL but found it too heavy, especially with the 24-90 tacked on. Just curious if anyone else has had this momentary lapse of reason. Yes, Pink Floyd all the way.

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[Likaleica]

I sense seller's remorse in a few months.  If at all possible do both!

[Simone_DF]

I am 😊

but the size and weight of the L glass is what is stopping me (for now...)

[Musotographer]

I was wondering about it recently, for an SL (I don't want 47mp), but that weekend I did a portrait session with the M10 and it was such a complete joy I realised that for me parting with it would be foolish. The M10 is so versatile, such a pleasure to handle, and in LV has auto magnify and leaves the magnification point where you want it, unlike the SL/SL2.  I may yet do it though with my M9-P, which gets little use, lovely camera though it still is.

[otto.f]

46 minutes ago, sunil said:

because my 60 year old eyes

You’re trapped:

46 minutes ago, sunil said:

I used to have an SL but found it too heavy

This is what photographers above 60 have: you loose either way. So I would not swap your M10 because that’s a loss of money and you get another drawback in return. Put an EVF2 on your M10. Old eyes are better to manage than weight: when your camera is too heavy you will loose the drive to pick up your camera and take it with you on a walk. 

Edited December 5, 2019 by otto.f

[snooper]

So I did it. Had a M10 and my focusing results were getting a bit frustrating as I can't get to use glasses when I'm shooting - don't ask me why 🙄

I started easy with a Q2 to check the sensor and the EVF. That camera is very nice and it somehow feels like an M when used manually. Not enough superlatives for the Q2 experience.

Then I got the SL2 and to be honest, I thought I would regret it deeply. But it goes the way around: the pleasure increases every day. I've never used big gear aside the Nikon F3, and yes the SL2 is heavy and not really easy to carry around, reason why I keep the Q2 in the flight bag. Another downside is manual focus. Slow, a bit soft and lacking precision while the Q2 does not feel the same at all. After a few days you get to trust the AF. So besides weight, size and MF, the SL2 is a fantastic experience.

 

Edited December 5, 2019 by snooper

[Sad]

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2 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

I am 😊

but the size and weight of the L glass is what is stopping me (for now...)

You could still use the M-lenses adapted to the SL until the gym pays off and your biceps (and back) can handle the weight. 🙂

[chris_tribble]

My experience with the SL1 was not good.  I tried it twice - and each time ended up selling it on.  I'll fully admit that my experience was warped as I never could bring myself to sink the money into SL lenses.  I know they're good (I've used Jono's), but so are my Canon L series lenses.  As a vehicle for M lenses, the L just didn't cut it. As an SLR system, it's lovely, but if I want to carry heavy, bulky kit I'll use the (relatively VERY affordable Canon 5D4 + a holy trinity of zooms + an 85 1.4 for portraits) when I need it, and stick with my 2 M bodies and a family of M lenses (16-21/28/35/50/75/90/135) for most things.  For my kind of work NOTHING beats the quality / weight / size of the M system.  It's not the best tool for all jobs, but if I could only have one system I'd still stick with the M. I'd miss the zooms, but I could live without them.

[Jeff S]

I’m not selling my M10 (or MM1), but adding the SL2 and SL 75.  Different tools for different shooting needs and experience (including EVF, AF, weather sealing, IBIS, etc).  I may the add the 24-90, but thought it wiser to begin with a more compact prime to become comfortable with the system... or not... only will know by trying.  

I’ve had M cameras for over 35 years, and will continue until eyes no longer serve adequately.  Meanwhile, a +.5 diopter has helped as eyes have aged (in addition to already used glasses for astigmatism and distance).  I shoot with M bodies using RF only, with 28, 35 and 50 focal lengths, mostly the latter two.

Jeff

Edited December 5, 2019 by Jeff S

[sunil]

10 hours ago, otto.f said:

You’re trapped:

This is what photographers above 60 have: you loose either way. So I would not swap your M10 because that’s a loss of money and you get another drawback in return. Put an EVF2 on your M10. Old eyes are better to manage than weight: when your camera is too heavy you will loose the drive to pick up your camera and take it with you on a walk. 

Amen to that. 

[PeterGA]

No one likes a heavy camera to walk around with and the definition of what is heavy changes for everyone over time. I recently bought a peak design hand strap on a whim and added to the SL/SL2 - I can't recommend it highly enough - makes 'carrying the camera around so much easier than over the shoulder with a strap - even the 90-280 all of a sudden becomes easy to walk around with on camera for a couple of hours.

[Flu]

If I can no longer reliably focus the M, I wouldn’t bother with it. Why struggle? I’d sell it and use M glass on the SL2 which is most likely much easier. The SL2 with small M glass won’t be that much heavier IMO.

[gotium]

I thought about it until I actually handled an SL2. It’s HUGE. I’d never take it anywhere. 

Edited December 6, 2019 by gotium

[otto.f]

4 hours ago, PeterGA said:

No one likes a heavy camera to walk around with and the definition of what is heavy changes for everyone over time. I recently bought a peak design hand strap on a whim and added to the SL/SL2 - I can't recommend it highly enough - makes 'carrying the camera around so much easier than over the shoulder with a strap - even the 90-280 all of a sudden becomes easy to walk around with on camera for a couple of hours.

That’s true, the SL is, once in the hand, much lighter than the figures suggest. I believe you rightaway about the Peak design hand strap too. I have the shoulder straps from Peak Design and they make it a pleasure to walk around with the SL. What they say on the website is true: it just feels lighter. However, for the osteoarthritis in my toe, the fysical weight of the camera counts and not my experience of it. 

[Simone_DF]

12 hours ago, Sad said:

You could still use the M-lenses adapted to the SL until the gym pays off and your biceps (and back) can handle the weight. 🙂

Yup. Actually I go to the gym regularly and I can handle the weight all right even for an all day outing, but why punish myself with heavier gear?

Using M lenses on the SL is great but only if your subject is static

[T25UFO]

Sold MP 240 to buy SL1 and although it improved my (focus) hit rate, I didn't enjoy using the camera.  Had the 24-90mm and 50mm Summilux; changed to 75mm Summicron, which is a wonderful lens but still the enjoyment factor wasn't there.  Fortunately kept my M lenses and now have M10-D plus Q2 for all the auto-focus stuff.  

Have also discovered that my (admittedly ageing) eyes aren't nearly as bad as I thought; maybe the improved M10 viewfinder helps, although I do need a Visoflex for the 90mm APO.

[snooper]

1 hour ago, Artin said:

one tap at the joystick gets instant magnification, focus , and hit the shutter button at it engages instantly

How do you get out of magnification in order to recompose ? 

[Tailwagger]

13 hours ago, otto.f said:

That’s true, the SL is, once in the hand, much lighter than the figures suggest.

When I first picked up the SL2 with native glass, I did wonder if I wasn't making a mistake buying one. I wasn't.  The body, isn't that heavy. In fact, the M with the RRS grip and EVF attached, its 1.8 pounds, the SL2 body is 2 pounds, so under 100g. In the end, the difference for me has not been noticeable. The big difference is in the weight of the glass, not the body.

Edited December 6, 2019 by Tailwagger

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[jakontil]

I’m very mobile user, compactness and portability is very crucial 
 

i rely on my ipad pro for editing, just weeks ago i still hav my Q2 but due to its megapixels i decided to swap it in for another M body

[bags27]

By my rough calculations, including batteries, an M10 plus EVF is less than 5 ounces lighter than an SL2. When I have held them both simultaneously, I sensed that the SL2 is heavier, but not appreciatively so: both felt significantly heavier than my CL and Q, to the point of being "different interpretations" of the Leica "idea."