SrMi Posted January 15, 2020 Share #361 Â Posted January 15, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 32 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Cost of having too many systems; easier to know one until second nature. Jeff True (says someone who has way too many systems)! Same goes for lenses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 15, 2020 Share #362  Posted January 15, 2020 I'm considering treating too many systems as a blessing. Have each in a photo bag ready to go and rotate often. Walk them often, give them air! Nothing to kick yourself for. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 15, 2020 Share #363 Â Posted January 15, 2020 Trade offs. No right or wrong. Â Great to have choices. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted January 16, 2020 Share #364  Posted January 16, 2020 3 hours ago, setuporg said: I'm considering treating too many systems as a blessing. Have each in a photo bag ready to go and rotate often. Walk them often, give them air! Nothing to kick yourself for. You must have a team of servants carrying your gear for you then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 16, 2020 Share #365  Posted January 16, 2020 You can't pinpoint blown highlights to user error, as then you can say the same about high ISO and DR characteristics of cameras with smaller sensors (ie 1-inch, MFT, or APS-C) There's a reason why we pay a penalty (in price, size, features) for cameras with larger sensors. Dynamic range is obviously an inherent feature of each sensor size. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 16, 2020 Share #366  Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr.Q said: You can't pinpoint blown highlights to user error, as then you can say the same about high ISO and DR characteristics of cameras with smaller sensors (ie 1-inch, MFT, or APS-C) There's a reason why we pay a penalty (in price, size, features) for cameras with larger sensors. Dynamic range is obviously an inherent feature of each sensor size. Sure you can... learn to live within the limits of the respective gear, or choose something else.  User control. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 16, 2020 Share #367  Posted January 16, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, Jeff S said: Sure you can... learn to live within the limits of the respective gear, or choose something else.  User control. Jeff Not when setuporg was clearly comparing 2 systems and making an observation. You called him out on that as user error, which is false. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 16, 2020 Share #368 Â Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mr.Q said: Not when setuporg was clearly comparing 2 systems and making an observation. You called him out on that as user error, which is false. I did... regarding blown highlights. Jeff Edited January 16, 2020 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 16, 2020 Share #369  Posted January 16, 2020 I will finish your work. the X1D has better ergonomics ---> user error, hold camera better the X1D has deeper tones/colors ---> user error, take a adobe course the X1D has better flash options ---> user error, find better ambient light the X1D is smaller/lighter ---> user error, hit the gym, lift weights I like where this thread is heading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 16, 2020 Share #370  Posted January 16, 2020 I readily admit I get more blown highlights with Leica M, Q2 and SL2 than with other systems, with equal level of not correcting EV. Perhaps I should be more adept at making Leica FFs underexpose, by locking the exposure on something bright and other tricks, but the reality of this comparison is that X1D does it better, and so does S. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 16, 2020 Share #371  Posted January 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mr.Q said: I will finish your work. the X1D has better ergonomics ---> user error, hold camera better the X1D has deeper tones/colors ---> user error, take a adobe course the X1D has better flash options ---> user error, find better ambient light the X1D is smaller/lighter ---> user error, hit the gym, lift weights I like where this thread is heading. The only related one is colors.  Profile and done. Rest are hardware related... your work, not mine. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 16, 2020 Share #372  Posted January 16, 2020 You're not alone, my Leica's blow highlights sooner than other FF cameras. It's something I need to constantly be aware of. And yes, compared to MF the gap is quite significant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 16, 2020 Share #373  Posted January 16, 2020 45 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said: You must have a team of servants carrying your gear for you then. I found that the complete S system now poses that challenge, so indeed I'd love to have sherpas and assistants carrying it for me. I got a MindShift backpack and a Compagnon case to accommodate as many lenses as possible, and I've gotten used to carrying a Hadley Pro case with 5-6 kg of S/X1D stuff easily, so now my weight tolerance is much higher. Still feels like the right approach is traveling by car loaded with preferable gear. Perhaps outfit an RV with a proper shelving, but that would have to wait decades... Wonderful but large S gear, followed by large XCD, and then SL gear, is an interesting challenge. Going back to M seems a solution but OTOH, even two lenses with the S could make a huge difference. My recent trip to Tahoe was with the SL2 and its primes and a zoom, in one Hadley Pro, and the S with two lenses and an M-P in another Hadley Pro. At that point you pick a Hadley and operate within the limits of it. Each Hadley gets at least a day of use to exercise it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 16, 2020 Share #374  Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jeff S said: The only related one is colors.  Profile and done. Rest are hardware related... your work, not mine. Jeff And dynamic range isn't hardware related? FYI.... http://www.photonstophotos.net/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 16, 2020 Share #375  Posted January 16, 2020 Hehe  1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 16, 2020 Share #376  Posted January 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mr.Q said: And dynamic range isn't hardware related? FYI.... http://www.photonstophotos.net Just don’t over-expose, as the OP was regularly doing.  Not the camera’s fault. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 16, 2020 Share #377  Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, setuporg said: Hehe  Hehe 2 .... discuss 🙂. Edited January 16, 2020 by SrMi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 16, 2020 Share #378  Posted January 16, 2020 I’ll post an overexposed ISO 100 picture and an ISO 50 picture with well controlled highlights of a high contrast, low-light scene with the SL2 in order to see if they can be made to look the same and which one has less shadow noise in another thread. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 16, 2020 Share #379  Posted January 16, 2020 vor 1 Minute schrieb SrMi: Hehe 2 .... discuss 🙂. Good point.  I was going to do CL with the 35 Summicron-TL vs. Hasselblad with the XCD 80/1.9 because these two lenses exhibit in many ways a common design signature but may use the TL2 with the Leica lens instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2020 Share #380  Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Chaemono said: Good point.  I was going to do CL with the 35 Summicron-TL vs. Hasselblad with the XCD 80/1.9 because these two lenses exhibit in many ways a common design signature but may use the TL2 with the Leica lens instead. I love the Summilux-TL 35mm but under certain conditions it will display an awful lot of purple fringing. Are you implying that the Summilux-TL 35mm and the Hasselblad XCD 80mm might come from the same source? My understanding has always been that the TL 35mm (and the TL 60mm) were designed and made in Germany contrary to the other TL lenses which are made in Japan. Edited January 16, 2020 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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