APS-C future strategy

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2 minutes ago, bags27 said:

+1

I just stuck a M35 on my CL and love what I see. I bought that instead of an 28 f/2.8, and it was a close call. I suspect I'll have that as well soon. These great Mandler and Karbe lenses are like paintbrushes. I do have 2 TL zooms, which are terrific, but they are serviceable, while the Ms and Rs really make me think. A poor man's (and getting poorer the longer I'm on this forum!) digital M but with an EVF.

you will probably get the 28 in order to have a 35 and 50 for your CL. Hardly a poor man's M, if anything I think the CL is very much an undervalued camera. 24MP on an APS-C camera is what a cropped 50mm FOV pic on the SL2 will deliver when using a 35MM lens. Thing about the CL is that it feels like an M in your hands but operates like the SL(2). I still prefer film, and use an MA, M4 and R6.2 (not so much these days), but I take the CL along with me when I need a fast turnaround or video, and there is nothing that I have seen to convince me the SL2 or FF is better -- even in low light and I get wonderful foreground separation as well. Damn camera just feels good in my hands with an M lens attached -- and the results match up.

 

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2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Have you tried the Summicron-SL lenses on the CL? I find the 90mm well balanced and readily usable. 

Are you using the grip on the CL?  Because without the grip I don't them very convenient either.  

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7 minutes ago, SlowDriver said:

Are you using the grip on the CL?  Because without the grip I don't them very convenient either.  

No. Left hand under the lens, supporting the weight, right hand on the body. I use a wrist strap, but it plays no part when I'm shooting.

[FrozenInTime]

it’s oh so quiet ... has Leica forgotten about APS-C ?

[bags27]

7 minutes ago, FrozenInTime said:

it’s oh so quiet ... has Leica forgotten about APS-C ?

not really, it's just not on this thread, where it perhaps should be. But it's all over the forum in various contexts. 

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1 hour ago, FrozenInTime said:

it’s oh so quiet ... has Leica forgotten about APS-C ?

Probably a few new lenses (last one dates from 2017) would get people talking again...

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39 minutes ago, SlowDriver said:

Probably a few new lenses (last one dates from 2017) would get people talking again...

People are talking. I think the significant changes in the SL2 and Q2 got folks thinking about similar significant changes in the CL2: maybe some weatherproofing, IBIS, better EVF, maybe the Sony 32 mps 1/2 sensor....

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IBIS would be nice but for me personally more native APS-C AF glass is a much higher priority.

The system needs more lenses like the 35mm.  A Summilux 23mm would be perfect.  A relatively fast 14mm or 16mm the icing on the cake.

[bags27]

3 hours ago, SlowDriver said:

IBIS would be nice but for me personally more native APS-C AF glass is a much higher priority.

The system needs more lenses like the 35mm.  A Summilux 23mm would be perfect.  A relatively fast 14mm or 16mm the icing on the cake.

Of course, if it had IBIS, the Summicron 23 would be just fine as is. 😀

[julian m]

Seriously. I still love these APS-C-sized lenses. Full frame is just too much.

I'm very close to replacing my T with a TL2, assuming all this might just be a dead end. But I figure as soon as I do, they'll announce a TL3 or CL2.

[bags27]

3 minutes ago, julian m said:

Seriously. I still love these APS-C-sized lenses. Full frame is just too much.

I'm very close to replacing my T with a TL2, assuming all this might just be a dead end. But I figure as soon as I do, they'll announce a TL3 or CL2.

Absolutely. Please let us know when you're buying the TL2, so that we can all hold off a few weeks and wait for the announcement of the TL3 and CL2. 😀

[FrozenInTime]

4 hours ago, SlowDriver said:

IBIS would be nice but for me personally more native APS-C AF glass is a much higher priority.

The system needs more lenses like the 35mm.  A Summilux 23mm would be perfect.  A relatively fast 14mm or 16mm the icing on the cake.

Not desperate for a body upgrade, but a fast wide with the qualities of the 35 TL Summilux would keep my interest.

Please, a little firmware update for the TL2 to bring in the CL focus peaking algorithm ( which is more visible on the LCD ) 

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55 minutes ago, julian m said:

Seriously. I still love these APS-C-sized lenses. Full frame is just too much.

I'm very close to replacing my T with a TL2, assuming all this might just be a dead end. But I figure as soon as I do, they'll announce a TL3 or CL2.

I don't want the TL2 to be the last of its line - some beautiful design opportunities there to sculpt in an EVF. 

[ruskkyle]

I’m having trouble with the CL’s EVF. I find I get so much light leaking in and interfering with the image that I have to cup it with my left hand in most lighting conditions. Never had this problem with my 5D’s optical viewfinder.

So I think they could improve the eyecup or just make the EVF brighter. Anyone else have this problem?

[jaapv]

Never noticed anything of the kind - but facial anatomy differs. Are you using your left eye?

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41 minutes ago, ruskkyle said:

I’m having trouble with the CL’s EVF. I find I get so much light leaking in and interfering with the image that I have to cup it with my left hand in most lighting conditions. Never had this problem with my 5D’s optical viewfinder.

So I think they could improve the eyecup or just make the EVF brighter. Anyone else have this problem?

Yes, I’ve seen that with the CL in full on sunshine; the visoflex on the TL2 or M10 is easier to shield with a slight head movement.

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2 hours ago, jaapv said:

Never noticed anything of the kind - but facial anatomy differs. Are you using your left eye?

Yes I’m a lefty. If I really push my eye in it improves but I don’t find that comfortable. Personally I’d like a bigger rubber seal or loupe.

[LocalHero1953]

I never have this problem with my right eye

[nicci78]

Don’t hold your breath, if any TL3 or CL2 were planned for this year. They might be postponed due to coronavirus. 
FYI Leica has always used Sony sensors for its APS-C cameras, since X1. 
 

https://m.dpreview.com/news/5458291545/sony-s-image-sensor-business-may-be-enormously-hit-by-coronavirus-outbreak

Edited February 16 by nicci78

[ruskkyle]

Anyway re new lenses, if this Sigma 16mm f1.4 ever makes it to L mount it would be a brilliant wide angle option

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