PeterGA Posted October 24, 2019 Share #21 Posted October 24, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leaving aside the trite truth - that "all that matters is the photograph" etc.. The M10/SL bodies are much nicer to hold than the CL body. There is a lot to like about the Q2 - but it isn't nice to hold - for me anyway. As for Fuji and its pressed titanium top and bottom in the XPro-3- with a magnesium skirt - I shoot a lot with Fuji X and GFX - IQ is great but there is no comparison that can be made between Fuji and Leica as far as the tactile experience one gets using Leica gear. If the SL2 feels like a CL or Q body - for me it would be a retrograde step. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tom0511 Posted October 24, 2019 Share #22 Posted October 24, 2019 I didnt even realize the Q2 was a different material than Q. For me the Q2 feels quality. When I used a Fuji X-Pro for some months I did like the camera but it felt "hollow" to me. So for my part...I am not concerned that Leica would not feel solid. I even have had some thoughts that I would wish some more rubber and maybe magenesium because I am not sure how resistent aluminium is in regards of environment (salt water, sand, scratch etc.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted October 24, 2019 Share #23 Posted October 24, 2019 I think the people who want the camera to be made of aluminum or cold metal probably don't live in the cold north! Aluminum is one of the best conductors of heat outside of silver and copper...it makes holding a camera miserable when it is really cold out, even if you are wearing gloves. Plastic and rubber may be "cheap" but they have their place. As for the materials of the Leica, I think it is largely a matter for the engineers...I think the main driver is HOW they are made, not of what they are made. This is of course assuming they are using high quality materials. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 24, 2019 Share #24 Posted October 24, 2019 31 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: I think the people who want the camera to be made of aluminum or cold metal probably don't live in the cold north! Aluminum is one of the best conductors of heat outside of silver and copper...it makes holding a camera miserable when it is really cold out, even if you are wearing gloves. We could have an enlightening discussion of gloves. The materials have come a long way in recent years. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted October 24, 2019 Share #25 Posted October 24, 2019 It was a bit under freezing today, but with 40-50mph winds, so that stuff is on my mind. My wooden tripod is great to handle, but has sharp aluminum knobs...they are not fun in this weather...I know people hate plastic (myself often among them), but this is the perfect use case for it...softens the edges and provides insulation. Materials choice should be decided on the basis of what best enhances the user experience, not so much how "fancy" it is. Otherwise we start going down the road of the Hasselblad Lunar and Stella era...we all know how that went. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 25, 2019 Share #26 Posted October 25, 2019 I don’t get the concern. Isn’t the body of the Q2 (like pics of the presumed SL2) covered in a nicely textured leather-type material on top of the metal? One primarily grips the body to handle and shoot (at least I do), not the top and bottom plates. In any event, I’d be surprised if the SL2 doesn’t have the same heft and quality feel as other Leica cameras, including the S007, which by the way, uses magnesium alloy. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted October 25, 2019 Share #27 Posted October 25, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) While I'd love Leica to go with more titanium bodies, perhaps even with some groovy hardening treatment like the new Fuji's Duratect, it's obvious that this would raise the prices of the cameras significantly. Interesting aside: Duratect has been in use with Citizen titanium watches for many years. I have a Citizen with Duratect treatment, and it's pretty hardy and doesn't scratch easily at all. I'm wary of any titanium object without a similar surface treatment because titanium, although lighter and stronger than steel, is relatively soft and scratch-prone. I baby my titanium Seiko Landmaster that lacks a hardening treatment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted October 25, 2019 Share #28 Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: The market has voted - it prefers devices to be lighter: one of the big selling points of the M10 over the M240, and (probably) of the SL2 over the SL. Heavy is not always good and light is not always bad. I get the desire for M cameras to have a substantial feel to them, but my M-P 240 is too heavy. On the other hand, my M4-P has a nice weight to it but some would probably that it feels "cheap" because it is light, compared to an M-P 240. I'm getting a Q2 in about three weeks. I won't feel cheated if it doesn't feel like I've got a Pentax 67 or a Dutch oven hanging from my neck. 😎 Edited October 25, 2019 by Herr Barnack 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LichtUndDunkelheit Posted October 25, 2019 Share #29 Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/23/2019 at 10:17 AM, nicci78 said: Fujifilm released X-Pro 3 with top and bottom case in titanium. Which as strong as steel, but is 55% lighter than it. It is also scratchproof. Hu ? Quite on the contrary I thought the sensitivity to scratches was one of the problems of titanium and thats why they use especially elaborate schemes / exprensive processes to paint the X-Pro3 so its protected ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share #30 Posted October 25, 2019 I also mentioned the fancy protected coating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajayk Posted October 25, 2019 Share #31 Posted October 25, 2019 Brass was the best option, rest are all same! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkelephant Posted October 25, 2019 Share #32 Posted October 25, 2019 Prehaps, the problem is ... " to be or not to be " !.. It reminds me of a few friends who spent their youth debating the " sex of angels " !.. Well, don't worry, it's just to laugh a little ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted October 27, 2019 Share #33 Posted October 27, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 12:37 PM, nicci78 said: I've got a problem to pay premium price to Leica Then don't. And stop complaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted October 27, 2019 Share #34 Posted October 27, 2019 Titanium is NOT scratch-proof. At least my titanium bike frame ain't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share #35 Posted October 27, 2019 10 hours ago, Viv said: Then don't. And stop complaining. What’s the problem here ? I am a Leica user and I want to continue to buy Leica’s in the future. Of course I have to complain, if they choose a direction that I dislike. Otherwise what ? Just go away silently without a fight ? Ridiculous. If we are not happy about something, we just have to speak up ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share #36 Posted October 27, 2019 11 hours ago, Viv said: Titanium is NOT scratch-proof. At least my titanium bike frame ain't. You should know that Fuji applied a fancy coating, making Titanium scratch proof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 27, 2019 Share #37 Posted October 27, 2019 Yes, you're right. Leica need to be encouraged to make their products more expensive. Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 28, 2019 Share #38 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 12:12 AM, pico said: We could have an enlightening discussion of gloves. The materials have come a long way in recent years. Perhaps asbestos gloves given the discussion is about magnesium? This is one aspect of camera design that reviewers never test properly, how quickly will the camera ignite and how easy is it to put out the fire. I believe a magnesium fire is especially ferocious and needs special measure to extinguish it, whereas I think weeing on an aluminium camera could be enough (but it is to be hoped the warm feeling down your leg is the heat from the camera fire and not a premature release of retardant). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted October 28, 2019 Share #39 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, nicci78 said: What’s the problem here ? I am a Leica user and I want to continue to buy Leica’s in the future. Of course I have to complain, if they choose a direction that I dislike. Otherwise what ? Just go away silently without a fight ? Ridiculous. If we are not happy about something, we just have to speak up ! You have a choice. Buy. Or don't buy. But spare us your whine, unless you want some cheese with it. You are free to complain to Leica all you like. Edited October 28, 2019 by Viv 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted October 28, 2019 Share #40 Posted October 28, 2019 16 hours ago, nicci78 said: You should know that Fuji applied a fancy coating, making Titanium scratch proof. Nope. The coating is what's scratch-proof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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