Stein K S Posted October 3, 2019 Share #21 Posted October 3, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: As Summicron 35mm v IV long time fan, I have an precise user idea ... I had the "Canada made" for years before trading for Summilux-M, so didn't know much about Canada/Wetzlar. When I rebought one 35mm Cron IV later, I had some mechanical trouble, like the hood not aligned, then I investigated more before taking it for repair. Now I know that there is some machanical "flaws" in some "Canada made" Summicron IV with plastic parts inside. I use the two 35mm Cron IV 'Canada and Germany, without seeing any difference in output, so optically the same. The weight can show which one can have the mechanical flaws : 135g is with plastic part (mostly Canadian made), 155g "flaws" corrected (mine is Germany made). Hi In previous discussions about the plastic part used in the V4 I have had the clear understanding that this goes for all V4 made, both German-made and Canada-made copies. Now you suggest that this issue has been ¨fixed along the way¨ during the production time of the v4... with more German-made ones being fixed. This is good news since I own a (later) German-made copy. However, it is silver... and since you refer to different weights of black copies with & without flaws... what should a fixed silver v4 weigh? Temping to ask in case you would know the answer to this one as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Viv Posted October 3, 2019 Share #22 Posted October 3, 2019 Zeiss ZM 35/1.4. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 3, 2019 Share #23 Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, a.noctilux said: As Summicron 35mm v IV long time fan, I have an precise user idea ... I had the "Canada made" for years before trading for Summilux-M, so didn't know much about Canada/Wetzlar. When I rebought one 35mm Cron IV later, I had some mechanical trouble, like the hood not aligned, then I investigated more before taking it for repair. Now I know that there is some machanical "flaws" in some "Canada made" Summicron IV with plastic parts inside. I use the two 35mm Cron IV 'Canada and Germany, without seeing any difference in output, so optically the same. The weight can show which one can have the mechanical flaws : 135g is with plastic part (mostly Canadian made), 155g "flaws" corrected (mine is Germany made). Interesting thank you. Did the "plastic" copy have a convex or concave focus tab? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 3, 2019 Share #24 Posted October 3, 2019 53 minutes ago, Viv said: Zeiss ZM 35/1.4. "Very small" really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted October 3, 2019 Share #25 Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, a.noctilux said: As Summicron 35mm v IV long time fan, I have an precise user idea ... I had the "Canada made" for years before trading for Summilux-M, so didn't know much about Canada/Wetzlar. When I rebought one 35mm Cron IV later, I had some mechanical trouble, like the hood not aligned, then I investigated more before taking it for repair. Now I know that there is some machanical "flaws" in some "Canada made" Summicron IV with plastic parts inside. I use the two 35mm Cron IV 'Canada and Germany, without seeing any difference in output, so optically the same. The weight can show which one can have the mechanical flaws : 135g is with plastic part (mostly Canadian made), 155g "flaws" corrected (mine is Germany made). Interesting, thanks for the precision, Arnaud. Mine weights 154g and was made in Canada. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted October 3, 2019 Share #26 Posted October 3, 2019 50 minutes ago, lct said: Interesting thank you. Did the "plastic" copy have a convex or concave focus tab? Just curious. Lct, Over time I've had some 35mm Cron IV of different periods ( maybe 8 different units 😇, at once.. I owned 4 to compare them as statistics, but never had courage to do that well). I can comment only that I have had the two focus types but didn't notice the relation between focus tab form and the type (heavy or light, I hadn't weighted them before selling/trading ! ). Now, my last two units have concave focus tab, one "Canada 1913-1983 type" is 135g and the other is 155g, "Made in Germany". 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 3, 2019 Share #27 Posted October 3, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, a.noctilux said: Now, my last two units have concave focus tab, one "Canada 1913-1983 type" is 135g and the other is 155g, "Made in Germany". 135g sounds very light indeed. Too bad i have not my Canadian copy from 1979 with me but last time i checked i found 160g if memory serves. Leitz specs said 190g in 1981 but there was a typo i suspect. LeicaM_3520_11310_spec.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted October 3, 2019 Share #28 Posted October 3, 2019 Just in case you want to compare, that is a Summilux pre ASPH, Made in Germany, which I bought in 1989, it is still a perfect lens, just got it back from a CLA at Wetzlar. Weight is 182 gr. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/302062-a-very-small-35mm/?do=findComment&comment=3830126'>More sharing options...
lct Posted October 3, 2019 Share #29 Posted October 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, AndreasG said: Just in case you want to compare, that is a Summilux pre ASPH, Made in Germany, which I bought in 1989, it is still a perfect lens, just got it back from a CLA at Wetzlar. Weight is 182 gr. 184g with no CLA here. German copy from 1989 as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted October 3, 2019 Share #30 Posted October 3, 2019 vor 1 Minute schrieb lct: 184g with no CLA 2 grams of dust, mites, fungus hidden inside😀? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted October 3, 2019 Share #31 Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 182g ! Indeed very light, just weighted my copy, Germany black anodised also , 183g without hood. Once I had the Germany Summilux-M pre-asph. titanium coated (as seen on the previous picture some posts above, in my note, weighting this 35mm Lux Ti (#3 60x xxx ) ...415g more than double, there must be something wrong, I can't verify, I don't have it since some years. As side note, consulting my weights note: some 35mm Cron IV was 133g (Canada, #3 017 xxx), or 135g most canadian made. Edited October 3, 2019 by a.noctilux 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted October 3, 2019 Share #32 Posted October 3, 2019 To be honest, the accuracy of such kitchen scales is certainly in the range of +/- 3% or even more, so, we should not put too much emphasis on the shown results... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted October 3, 2019 Share #33 Posted October 3, 2019 vor 6 Minuten schrieb a.noctilux: just weighted my copy, Germany black anodised also , 183g without hood. Same result, thanks for confirmation! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightningstrike Posted October 3, 2019 Share #34 Posted October 3, 2019 My absolute favorite is the new Voigtländer Ultron 35mm 2.0, very small, great Image Quality, great Flare resistance (way better than my 35mm summicron asph.) I am normally more a 50mm fan but this lens is so small, you can take it with you everywhere and you dont need the hood I also use it on an M10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
horosu Posted October 3, 2019 Share #35 Posted October 3, 2019 4 hours ago, a.noctilux said: 182g ! Once I had the Germany Summilux-M pre-asph. titanium coated (as seen on the previous picture some posts above, in my note, weighting this 35mm Lux Ti (#3 60x xxx ) ...415g more than double, there must be something wrong, I can't verify, I don't have it since some years. The weight you refer to is the weight of the Titanium/Brass Summilux 35 ASPH. I have a Titanium 35 pre-asph and it should weigh around 250 grams. I haven't put it on a scale but I can do it if anybody is interested Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 3, 2019 Share #36 Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lightningstrike said: My absolute favorite is the new Voigtländer Ultron 35mm 2.0, very small, great Image Quality, great Flare resistance (way better than my 35mm summicron asph.) I am normally more a 50mm fan but this lens is so small, you can take it with you everywhere and you dont need the hood I also use it on an M10 Great little lens indeed. My favorite 35/2 on the digital CL (link). It is not flare free to be honest but it does rather better than my Summicron 35/2 asph v1 from this standpoint. Edited October 3, 2019 by lct 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted October 4, 2019 Share #37 Posted October 4, 2019 13 hours ago, lct said: 184g with no CLA here. German copy from 1989 as well. 2gms of ancient whale oil lubricant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR120 Posted October 12, 2019 Share #38 Posted October 12, 2019 On October 3, 2019 at 2:51 PM, lct said: Great little lens indeed. My favorite 35/2 on the digital CL (link). It is not flare free to be honest but it does rather better than my Summicron 35/2 asph v1 from this standpoint. may I ask ---- how is this new 35 f/2 voigtlander ultron indoors ------ with low light -------- does it hold up well in low light? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 12, 2019 Share #39 Posted October 12, 2019 3 hours ago, OR120 said: may I ask ---- how is this new 35 f/2 voigtlander ultron indoors ------ with low light -------- does it hold up well in low light? Only shot indoor with this lens in low light. It is as sharp as the M 35/2 asph v1 and 35/1.4 FLE at f/2 more or less so i would not expect any softness there if this is what you're after. Better choose a pre-asph Summicron or Summilux for forgiving portraits. Otherwise the lens is only limited by the camera, especially at high isos. Here at f/2, 3200 iso on the digital CL (focus on the panflute, 12MB file). FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR120 Posted October 12, 2019 Share #40 Posted October 12, 2019 Thank you lct. 90% of my shots are early, early mooring. Early evening or indoors - clubs, bars - receptions. Years ago my 35 summilux was the only lens I used on one of my two 3-lug M5's. That gear (and more) were stolen years ago. Now starting over with a new ME and a few other lenses. This will be my new 35mm. I was looking at the new voigtlander 35 f2 that we are discussing here and comparing it to the new voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 MC mark II and older 35 voigtlander f/1.7 ultron. Only interested in these lenses in that beautiful light/low light usage.. Thank you again for your comment and knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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