Luca Posted October 10, 2019 Share #721 Posted October 10, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Very interesting info and tech data really. I have a q2 and SL. Frankly speaking don't really see such a huge need for IBIS. Lens stab is more than enough to me. Just hope image quality and low light performance will be good enough as per Leica standards :) so as to try my new 50 sl summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 10, 2019 Share #722 Posted October 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Luca said: Very interesting info and tech data really. I have a q2 and SL. Frankly speaking don't really see such a huge need for IBIS. Lens stab is more than enough to me. Just hope image quality and low light performance will be good enough as per Leica standards so as to try my new 50 sl summicron. 1-2 stop (lens stabilisation) vs 5-ish stops (IBIS; based on S1R) is a huge difference. In many shooting conditions, for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 10, 2019 Share #723 Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 5 stops would definitely make me hold onto my credit card more tightly, but it might slip out. 😀 Edited October 10, 2019 by bags27 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 10, 2019 Share #724 Posted October 10, 2019 SL had state of the art EVF, beyond all others at the time, at least resolution-wise. But still not yet my cup of tea. Will the SL2 achieve some new level? The viewing/focusing system matters to me. And so does IBIS, if implemented well. Lens roadmap and control interface, too. We each have our preferences and priorities. Lots of good choices these days. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 10, 2019 Share #725 Posted October 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jeff S said: SL had state of the art EVF, beyond all others at the time, at least resolution-wise. But still not yet my cup of tea. Will the SL2 achieve some new level? The viewing/focusing system matters to me. And so does IBIS, if implemented well. Lens roadmap and control interface, too. We each have our preferences and priorities. Lots of good choices these days. Jeff its probably got the new EVF that the S1r has Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share #726 Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Jeff S said: SL had state of the art EVF, beyond all others at the time, at least resolution-wise. But still not yet my cup of tea. Will the SL2 achieve some new level? The viewing/focusing system matters to me. And so does IBIS, if implemented well. Lens roadmap and control interface, too. We each have our preferences and priorities. Lots of good choices these days. Jeff I understand Jeff’s concern. The only thing I really dislike about my SL is the performance of the EVF in high contrast/bright light situations where you need to raise exposure compensation to fully see the scene. I understand this is an issue with EVFs other than the SL’s. It would be nice if they’ve improved it. The description of the SL2 here, though, sounds mighty appealing to me. Twice the megapixels, so bigger print possibilities, and greater ability to crop? IBIS, so better low light performance with those amazing, but slightly slow zooms? I have no idea whether it will sell as many copies as the Q2, but it sounds great to me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 11, 2019 Share #727 Posted October 11, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 7 hours ago, bags27 said: 5 stops would definitely make me hold onto my credit card more tightly, but it might slip out. 😀 Only the insiders know the type and implementation of IBIS hidden in SL2, but given the collaboration with Panasonic, it might be similar to the S1R's IBIS. Some hand-held examples with the S1R (w/75 f2 and a biggie 400mm f2.8), with IBIS and electronic shutter activated: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joakim Posted October 11, 2019 Share #728 Posted October 11, 2019 Any information regarding the back LCD, the resolution and if it tilts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 11, 2019 Share #729 Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) you've seen the leaked photos : bigger LCD but no tilt Edited October 11, 2019 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 11, 2019 Share #730 Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) The Sigma fp price has been announced: $1899 / £1999 (where do they get their exchange rates from?). Another price point for the SL2 to be calibrated against. Though Sigma has done what I hoped Leica will do: create something different, rather than something close to the S1 Edited October 11, 2019 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 11, 2019 Share #731 Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) US prices are without tax, UK prices are VAT inc. Brexit drama adds uncertainty, therefore more exchange rate insurance fees. fp is maybe classified as movie camera, hence additional tariffs Edited October 11, 2019 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giampo Posted October 11, 2019 Share #732 Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Luca said: …..Frankly speaking don't really see such a huge need for IBIS…... With 47mgpixel some sort of stabilization is really needed, no doubt about it. And not only at low shooting times. Or IBIS or tripod. Otherwise our fantastic leica lenses are waisted. Only exeption for the wide lenses (maybe) Edited October 11, 2019 by giampo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 11, 2019 Share #733 Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, nicci78 said: US prices are without tax, UK prices are VAT inc. Brexit drama adds uncertainty, therefore more exchange rate insurance fees. fp is maybe classified as movie camera, hence additional tariffs That doesn't apply to other devices: - Panasonic S1: $2497 / £2199 - Blackmagic Pocket Cinema 4K: $1295 / £1194 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted October 11, 2019 Share #734 Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, giampo said: Or IBIS or tripod. Otherwise our fantastic leica lenses are waisted. Don't forget that two of the zoom already have OIS, and IBIS only adds about a stop to that, at best. As someone else previously explained, the stops added by IS are a maximum under very special circumstances. That's why they say "up to." Those five stops (or whatever the spec is) are at a specific shutter speed, focal length, and with a specific amount of camera shake at a specific frequency, in a specific direction. Most of the time you will get a lot less. It's very photographer-dependent as well. I am lucky enough to be naturally steady, so IS doesn't help much. I remember shooting once in a dark recording studio. I was getting great shots, and then a fellow photographer borrowed my camera. His shots looked like earthquake footage. I had been shooting at 1/4 sec hand-held with a 24/2.8! IS wouldn't get me five extra stops in those circumstances (8 seconds?). Maybe one extra stop, but only if I caught the subject between breaths. I'll take an extra stop of usable ISO over IS any day, although a Summilux would be nice too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoreserve Posted October 11, 2019 Share #735 Posted October 11, 2019 vor 2 Stunden schrieb giampo: With 47mgpixel some sort of stabilization is really needed, no doubt about it. And not only at low shooting times. Or IBIS or tripod. Otherwise our fantastic leica lenses are waisted. Only exeption for the wide lenses (maybe) Exactly - couldn‘t agree more, esp. regarding the (non stabilized) SL-Summicrons! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 11, 2019 Share #736 Posted October 11, 2019 Am 10.10.2019 um 11:17 schrieb nicci78: [...] Q2 modified sensor. Whatever that means. [...] It probably means modified to output 12-bit video instead of the 8-bit the Q2 is capable of (SL does 10-bit). 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Posted October 11, 2019 Share #737 Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, BernardC said: Don't forget that two of the zoom already have OIS, and IBIS only adds about a stop to that, at best. As someone else previously explained, the stops added by IS are a maximum under very special circumstances. That's why they say "up to." Those five stops (or whatever the spec is) are at a specific shutter speed, focal length, and with a specific amount of camera shake at a specific frequency, in a specific direction. Most of the time you will get a lot less. It's very photographer-dependent as well. I am lucky enough to be naturally steady, so IS doesn't help much. I remember shooting once in a dark recording studio. I was getting great shots, and then a fellow photographer borrowed my camera. His shots looked like earthquake footage. I had been shooting at 1/4 sec hand-held with a 24/2.8! IS wouldn't get me five extra stops in those circumstances (8 seconds?). Maybe one extra stop, but only if I caught the subject between breaths. I'll take an extra stop of usable ISO over IS any day, although a Summilux would be nice too. this is the point 3.5 stops is already a lot and would cover most of cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 11, 2019 Share #738 Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Luca said: this is the point 3.5 stops is already a lot and would cover most of cases. For two SL lenses, not the other six (so far, I think), nor any adapted lenses without OIS. Jeff Edited October 11, 2019 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Posted October 11, 2019 Share #739 Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Jeff S said: For two SL lenses, not the other six (so far, I think), nor any adapted lenses without OIS. Jeff you are fully right for rest of the lens Ibis is very important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 11, 2019 Share #740 Posted October 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Luca said: you are fully right for rest of the lens Ibis is very important. Not so much for the 16-35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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