Fedro Posted June 20, 2019 Share #121 Posted June 20, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 15 minutes ago, alan.y said: Above all I'm just dumbfounded by the literal-mindedness of the video. It's almost insultingly childish. Every single motif, including the protagonist's photograph, is a combination of digital and analogue. Also note that the protagonist is called JACK GUY. Who the hell came up with this stuff? I don't believe Vieri meant to expressed "disdain" towards wealthy amateurs. His overall point, as I take it, is that one should be more thoughtful and deliberate about gear choice, which is salutary. Also for balance, one of the X2D promo videos below. It's nice to see a female professional photographer featured. I totally agree with you, but have to say that Leica and Hasselblad are quite similar in terms of targets positioning for this kind of stuff "Digital Body, Analog soul" anyone? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stuart Richardson Posted June 20, 2019 Share #122 Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, pico said: Iceland also has an unfortunate record of public health. Balance. What are you referring to Pico? My experience with the health care here has been excellent, based on living here for 12 years. Like any country, there are difficulties, but I have never had better care than I have had here. Feel free to just pm me, as I do not want to take the thread wildly off course. Edited June 20, 2019 by Stuart Richardson 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted June 20, 2019 Share #123 Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Vieri said: I wish I were an amateur, and I could buy my gear just because I wanted to without having to justify it for my business. I think that's one of the best way to enjoy photography, and I have nothing against that - as long as one is clear about it. I just don't see why people have a desperate need to rationalise their purchases even when they are lucky enough to have the luxury not to have to Unfortunately, as a working professional my gear choices have to be purpose-oriented. While I am lucky enough and successful enough with my photography to be able to afford anything I want, I still cannot throw money down the drain when I choose a camera system - it simply wouldn't make any sense business-wise. And, while I have been a Leica Ambassador using a Leica SL for three years, that ended when I resigned in December 2018. Even then, I only used a Leica S briefly because, as it happens, I found out that it wasn't good for my purpose... Best regards, Vieri 1 hour ago, peterv said: Vieri, aren’t rich amateurs your target market since you went in the workshop-business? I would guess the people who attend those meetings are not wealthy old professional photographers either, for that matter. And I would think that the fashionable highly saturated long exposure, Fine Art prints that you’re trying to sell aren’t aimed at poor landscape collectors? What is this, DPReview? Where everyone seems to feel the urge to come in and do a I’m-a-Pro-and-I-know-best act? The ‘wealthy amateur’ may very well be the person who keeps the MF business - and yours - alive. She/he deserves a little less disdain. All IMHO, of course. Peter, I think you missed my message (quoted above), I have nothing against amateurs, rich or otherwise. Best regards, Vieri Edited June 20, 2019 by Vieri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted June 20, 2019 Share #124 Posted June 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, Fedro said: I totally agree with you, but have to say that Leica and Hasselblad are quite similar in terms of targets positioning for this kind of stuff "Digital Body, Analog soul" anyone? Even the way handle upgrade is so similar. I look forward what Leica will bring us S3. I begin to think they might spend extra time on menu, software feature side of cameras? I have recently bought M10p, the upgrade of menu and ergonomics is mind blowing better than m240 with the same 24M. If S3 did some of that and bring us good color sensor, it will be still a great tool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted June 20, 2019 Share #125 Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, ZHNL said: Even the way handle upgrade is so similar. I look forward what Leica will bring us S3. I begin to think they might spend extra time on menu, software feature side of cameras? I have recently bought M10p, the upgrade of menu and ergonomics is mind blowing better than m240 with the same 24M. If S3 did some of that and bring us good color sensor, it will be still a great tool. Nothing wrong with trying to make a system works, X1D II is the perfect example for this. Hasselblad is doing what Leica is doing, do not reinvent the wheel, but perfecting the wheel... I just wish Fujifilm can do the same with the GFX... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2019 Share #126 Posted June 20, 2019 6 hours ago, alan.y said: Here's a "wealthy amateur" if there ever was one! I think this ad is only marginally more tasteful than the Leica Tiananmen one. I don't know what all the fuss is about..............I thought the video was okay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted June 21, 2019 Share #127 Posted June 21, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, it just a western double standard at play here. I thought politics is not to be discussed here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted June 21, 2019 Share #128 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Vieri said: Hello Daedalus, not really, weight was just one of my points. The list was longer, and he didn't refute any of them. By the way, I don't think I ever said that features/options are a weakness, can you please quote me where I supposedly said that? About the X1D, no I am not. I never consider buying gear as an investment, they are tools and a business expense for me. Best regards, Vieri I think at the end of the day an MF camera with 100MP that you can use handheld because of the IBIS can be used successfully in many situations, especially if image quality and resolution are important for the photographer, so I see it as giving more options to a photographer for a good price. On the other hand if the Hasselblad works for you great. I have actually being thinking about the X1d II, but my problem is that the lenses are too expensive compared to the Fuji ones, so the overall system has the same price as the 100MP Fuji with the same 2-3 lenses. Edited June 21, 2019 by Daedalus2000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.gt Posted June 21, 2019 Share #129 Posted June 21, 2019 Actually, I enjoyed the video. Entertaining, and I do not read anything into commercial videos anyway. Like the Volvo commercial a year or so ago.., it was just a freaking video marketing an SUV (and a good one, too) yet people all over the world came up with their own stories of the so-called "family". Get real.:) It appears I am not alone when it comes to OVF, and that is cool. But I do have to wonder if Hasselblad forgot the charm of the V system is in the WLF.... but that is just me, I'm sure. Now, back to the Leica S. Simplicity has in the past been the hallmark of Leica cameras. The Leica S is so simple. Yet, other systems want to include every bell and whistle. Ok, fine, but Leica really does not need to follow everyone else and it doesn't. I like the S3 specs just like they are at 64mp. If I cannot make excellent images with the new S3.... then I guess the problem will be me and my opinion is just one from an outlier. Lol, I just go my own way. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan_S Posted June 22, 2019 Share #130 Posted June 22, 2019 Although the electronic shutter is not ideal the combination of the Summicron-M 50 APO f2 on the X1D is gorgeous. Minor vignetting (easily fixed in LR) A simple photo but I love the 3D look of this photo Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297697-007-vs-hassy-x1-d/?do=findComment&comment=3764545'>More sharing options...
Fedro Posted June 22, 2019 Share #131 Posted June 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Milan_S said: Although the electronic shutter is not ideal the combination of the Summicron-M 50 APO f2 on the X1D is gorgeous. Minor vignetting (easily fixed in LR) A simple photo but I love the 3D look of this photo Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! beautiful, will try it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted June 23, 2019 Share #132 Posted June 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Milan_S said: Although the electronic shutter is not ideal the combination of the Summicron-M 50 APO f2 on the X1D is gorgeous. Minor vignetting (easily fixed in LR) A simple photo but I love the 3D look of this photo Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I like the shot however the top corner rendering is big no no for me though I can imagine it will be a very cool looking package. (maybe with 1X1 crop?) There must be something going such as sensor stack thickness or 50AA out of 35mm image cycle just look like that. There seems some extreme filed curvature happened on top corner make background in focus in tangential (or Sagittal) ray . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2019 Share #133 Posted June 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Milan_S said: Although the electronic shutter is not ideal Milan I have heard others say the same about the electronic shutter............whats all the fuss about, a shutter is a shutter .......isn't it???? Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted June 23, 2019 Share #134 Posted June 23, 2019 Neil, perhaps this is a misunderstanding, but I believe the issue they are referring to is in regards to how electronic shutters read out. Very few digital sensors read out all at once (it is called a global shutter), those that do are primarily used for things like video cameras. The electronic shutter in the Hasselblad reads out sequentially, so when it starts reading out, if there is significant movement in a scene, the movement can cause distortions. It can also play havoc with flash, fluorescent lighting, anything with flicker (screens, headlights). For static scenes they mostly work very well, but they are not quite as reliable for typical photography, given their peculiarities. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2019 Share #135 Posted June 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: Neil, perhaps this is a misunderstanding, but I believe the issue they are referring to is in regards to how electronic shutters read out. Very few digital sensors read out all at once (it is called a global shutter), those that do are primarily used for things like video cameras. The electronic shutter in the Hasselblad reads out sequentially, so when it starts reading out, if there is significant movement in a scene, the movement can cause distortions. It can also play havoc with flash, fluorescent lighting, anything with flicker (screens, headlights). For static scenes they mostly work very well, but they are not quite as reliable for typical photography, given their peculiarities. Thanks Stuart for the explanation Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted June 23, 2019 Share #136 Posted June 23, 2019 I rarely use M lenses on the X1D. When I do, it is outdoors and normally 50mm and up that said the XCD lenses are more than good enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted June 23, 2019 Share #137 Posted June 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said: Neil, perhaps this is a misunderstanding, but I believe the issue they are referring to is in regards to how electronic shutters read out. Very few digital sensors read out all at once (it is called a global shutter), those that do are primarily used for things like video cameras. The electronic shutter in the Hasselblad reads out sequentially, so when it starts reading out, if there is significant movement in a scene, the movement can cause distortions. It can also play havoc with flash, fluorescent lighting, anything with flicker (screens, headlights). For static scenes they mostly work very well, but they are not quite as reliable for typical photography, given their peculiarities. Perfectly said, Stuart. One of the applications where electronic shutter is perfectly fine is landscape photography on a tripod, where it works just perfectly - especially if you do long exposures. I use it all the time with the X1D and Voigtlander 15mm without any problems whatsoever. Hope this helps! Best regards, Vieri 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted June 23, 2019 Share #138 Posted June 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said: Neil, perhaps this is a misunderstanding, but I believe the issue they are referring to is in regards to how electronic shutters read out. Very few digital sensors read out all at once (it is called a global shutter), those that do are primarily used for things like video cameras. The electronic shutter in the Hasselblad reads out sequentially, so when it starts reading out, if there is significant movement in a scene, the movement can cause distortions. It can also play havoc with flash, fluorescent lighting, anything with flicker (screens, headlights). For static scenes they mostly work very well, but they are not quite as reliable for typical photography, given their peculiarities. Yes, and unfortunately the time it takes to read the whole sensor is about 1/3 of a second, so it is very slow compared to other smaller sensors that are 10 times faster. Of course there are sensors like the Sony A9 one that read really fast, I think it is about 1/120 of a second so it can be used without many issues. I have also read that sometimes the electronic shutters may create problems with the rendering of out of focus areas, but I am not sure exactly what the problem may be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2019 Share #139 Posted July 14, 2019 Has anyone got the new X1D II yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan_S Posted July 14, 2019 Share #140 Posted July 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, NW67 said: Has anyone got the new X1D II yet? I tried it at an event, the sensor is the same and output too but all is a bit faster (start up, AF, ...) Not worth upgrading IMHO but worth to start with the X1D line the lenses are wonderful! Shot with the 90mm f3.5 (love this lens) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297697-007-vs-hassy-x1-d/?do=findComment&comment=3777913'>More sharing options...
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