jaapv Posted September 15, 2018 Share #41 Posted September 15, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I noticed that on page 15 of the 80FDTimes-LEICA-PortugalFactoryTour publication that there is a photo of the Leica SL body being milled via the CNC process. Does that mean that the SL is not being made in Portugal? Or is the body milling the only step performed there? I'm sure it is not the only step being done there. Portugal does provide body parts and sub-assemblies.Always has, the Leica R bodies were built in Portugal too. Make no mistake: Leica Portugal is as much Leica as Leica Wetzlar is For instance, all Leica sports optics are made and serviced fully in Portugal - and we all know on what level those are. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rrdiaz30 Posted September 15, 2018 Share #42 Posted September 15, 2018 Hahah,..apart from the lower right pic, the other circuit boards in pics does not look like they could fit into any camera body I know today. Leica Geosystems also makes surveying equipment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted September 16, 2018 Share #43 Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Leica Geosystems also makes surveying equipment. Exactly my point, the size of those PCBAs and the density of SMT components on the board does not show the case for cameras. With battery and sensor occupy a significant footprint in the digital camera interior, it will mean a very dense double sided PCBA. The PCBA process also involves testing after automated components mounting and reflow process, hardly few labor, unless the manufacturing process is patented or differentiated in manufacturing knowhow, it is senseless to have high overheads and labor cost in Europe. Coupled with low volume to atmotise high fixed cost, every business would know how to farm out these low valueadded manufacturing to lower cost locations. The pictures could likely be showing either supplies to other high valueadded non consumer products or it is part of product development process. The following are ballpart production operator monthly labour rates in USD$ from different asia locations: 1 Japan $4000; 2 Singapore $1500; 3 Thailand $400; 4 Indonesia $200. Edited September 16, 2018 by sillbeers15 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarkleshark Posted September 17, 2018 Share #44 Posted September 17, 2018 Rumor is 42 mp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewteee Posted September 18, 2018 Share #45 Posted September 18, 2018 This is getting interesting. Rumors seem to be supported by multiple mainstream sources. One stated a "prototype" at Photokina with availability in March 2019. Would they abandon M43? Or would they remain in parallel (for some time)? There's already a big ecosystem and committed fans. How would their partnership with Leica play into their FF release? If I were to make assumptions I'd guess that Leica would keep its best lens designs for itself, but perhaps maintain the Panasonic partnership to share lens designs and camera technology. I love my M43 Panasonic/Leica lenses. Is everyone going FF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted September 18, 2018 Share #46 Posted September 18, 2018 How would their partnership with Leica play into their FF release? If I were to make assumptions I'd guess that Leica would keep its best lens designs for itself, but perhaps maintain the Panasonic partnership to share lens designs and camera technology. I love my M43 Panasonic/Leica lenses. I would expect the lens lines to complement each other. In this scenario, Panasonic would offer cheaper standard zooms, and some lenses that do not meet Leica's high performance standards, like a pancake, or a few ultra-fast primes, or high-ratio zooms (5:1 or even 10:1). The SL and S lens lineups are "no compromise" designs. There's plenty of room for Panasonic to release more cost-competitive lenses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted September 18, 2018 Share #47 Posted September 18, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) If it were really true that Panasonic will eventually produce a full frame L mount mirrorless system, I see a repeat of the Contax RTS & Yashica SLR cameras sharing the same mount with Carl Zesis T* Contax lenses and the lower cost Yashica lenses which I was all so familiar with when I was back in school then. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted September 18, 2018 Share #48 Posted September 18, 2018 If it were really true that Panasonic will eventually produce a full frame L mount mirrorless system, I see a repeat of the Contax RTS & Yashica SLR cameras sharing the same mount with Carl Zesis T* Contax lenses and the lower cost Yashica lenses which I was all so familiar with when I was back in school then. +1 Pretty good example of photographic industry cooperation. Cheaper lenses can be a good magnet to a system, once users become more discerning lust for top class optics grows. Sony Alpha is a good recent example, number of users were keen to utilise Leica M & R lenses, probably not being impressed by absence of "good digital platform", until introduction of M240 no other lens than M can be used digitally. Sony combined with Leica lens mania went to such extremes as development of Techart M-AF adaptor. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 18, 2018 Share #49 Posted September 18, 2018 [...] Sony combined with Leica lens mania went to such extremes as development of Techart M-AF adaptor. ... and Kolari modded Sony sensors. With a thin sensor stack, if any, an FF Panasonic could beat Sony at this game and prefigure the mirrorless "M" some of us are dreaming about eventually. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjsphd Posted September 18, 2018 Share #50 Posted September 18, 2018 And here I was about to buy a used SL to use with my M glass, like the 21SEM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted September 19, 2018 Share #51 Posted September 19, 2018 A Panasonic FF announcement seems likely, but the L-mount rumour seems more uncertain. We will know in a weeks time... Anyway: It's quite interesting if Panasonic aims for a FF mirrorless system in L-mount, with 42mp sensor, and with in-house engineered Canon EF and Nikon F adapters, at about USD3000. This must also be a win for Leica, entering new customers to the L-system. In addition, Panasonic L-lenses will be made available, extending the somewhat limited Leica offerings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1713 Posted September 19, 2018 Share #52 Posted September 19, 2018 Not sure if anyone mentioned it but if Panasonic adopts the L mount, chances are the m4/3 lenses will have a full compatibility with the L mount system. And possibly in time to come, on-sensor full frame IBIS for L mount cameras. Then the Leica TL lenses may not have a diluted Panasonic Leica branding to compete against but stand alone as the 1.5 crop Leica quality lenses while Panasonic can hit below Sony, Canon and Nikon's price points with M4/3 lenses at 2X crop. Leaving the SL lenses to strike at the "utmost quality" 35mm sensor segments. I doubt if Panasonic Leica M4/3 lenses have much of a future when the Canon and Nikon mirrorless lenses comes into play. Anyone buying into a system is not going to look seriously at m4/3 at this point. It's just an opinion, of course. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted September 19, 2018 Share #53 Posted September 19, 2018 As stated by Dr. Kaufmann in the Leica LuLa-video (from 23:20, about the L-mount): "This mount has lots more opportunities and you will see something next year...June 2018." The L-secret mentioned by Dr. Kaufmann has yet to be uncovered - but it could be related to the Panasonic FF rumour(s). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share #54 Posted September 20, 2018 New "confirmation" that Panasonic will have SL mount. Still just a rumor of course but 43rumors seems very confident. https://www.43rumors.com/ft3-panasonic-might-use-the-leica-sl-mount-and-not-uhs-ii/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted September 20, 2018 Share #55 Posted September 20, 2018 New "confirmation" that Panasonic will have SL mount. Still just a rumor of course but 43rumors seems very confident. https://www.43rumors.com/ft3-panasonic-might-use-the-leica-sl-mount-and-not-uhs-ii/ Very interesting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 20, 2018 Share #56 Posted September 20, 2018 what would be more interesting is a nice Panasonic 500 or 600mm f2.8 to go with that..with optical stabilization Very interesting! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 20, 2018 Share #57 Posted September 20, 2018 how does one use an m4/3 lens on full frame ? chances are the m4/3 lenses will have a full compatibility with the L mount system. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted September 20, 2018 Share #58 Posted September 20, 2018 what would be more interesting is a nice Panasonic 500 or 600mm f2.8 to go with that..with optical stabilization It's just a question of time (at least I hope so...). And with two companies producing bodies and lenses in L-mount, the future looks promising, with larg(er) diversity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 20, 2018 Share #59 Posted September 20, 2018 how does one use an m4/3 lens on full frame ? Or even APS-C. As to the question: Not a chance - the difference in register difference is too small to make a workable adapter. However, a slightly bigger than MFT 100-400 TL would be very attractive. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 20, 2018 Share #60 Posted September 20, 2018 exactly Or even APS-C. As to the question: Not a chance - the difference in register difference is too small to make a workable adapter. However, a slightly bigger than MFT 100-400 TL would be very attractive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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