Nikon Z6, Z7 and Leica SL ..... (merged)

[thighslapper]

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...... looking at these I wonder how much has been influenced by the SL ....... and I see they will have a 58/0.95 Noct lens in the future as well.....

 

There appears to be a distinct convergence in the mirrorless market and there seems to be less difference between them rather than more ...... 

 

The Z7 specs look very much what most of us would be looking for in an SL2 .... 

Edited August 23, 2018 by thighslapper

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[Vieri]

Indeed, it seems that the Z6 / Z7 aren't much far from the Sony Axx. As far as the SL, well the only thing I would want in the Z7 that I don't have in the SL is more resolution everything else, thanks but no thanks, I'd still take the SL over the Z7 any day.

 

Best regards,

 

Vieri

[mmradman]

It doesn't need looking far here on LUF to see some of the fundamental shortcomings of the Leica system ike poor flash support for one. 

Granted, Leica never disappoints with fabulous optics and fabulous image quality but than what about stubborn adherence to LENR.

 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/287530-can-the-sf-c1-control-the-nissin-i60a-for-others-systems/

[wattsy]

No doubt many of the members here will carp about the new Nikon cameras (they are already hints of it in this thread) but these cameras will likely be bought eagerly by many talented photographers who, rather than discuss the pros and cons endlessly, will just get on with using the cameras to create some great photographic work.

[Mr.Q]

Indeed, it seems that the Z6 / Z7 aren't much far from the Sony Axx. As far as the SL, well the only thing I would want in the Z7 that I don't have in the SL is more resolution everything else, thanks but no thanks, I'd still take the SL over the Z7 any day.

 

Best regards,

 

Vieri

I agree, looks like a A7 twin to me. Not interested.

[Ouroboros]

For my landscape and travel photography workshops, I held off upgrading from the D810 to the D850 because I have been waiting to find out what Nikon would come up with, finally, as a viable mirrorless alternative to their dslr's.  Tempted by the Fujfilm GFX and X1D in the past, but neither have access to the range of t&s or other specialist lenses lenses that are available to Nikon cameras.

 

I will certainly be booking a demo of the Nikon Z7.  I really hope that Nikon have got their act together this time.

[JayBird]

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I considered waiting to purchase the CL until the Z7 and Z6 came out. But I wanted a Leica so I did not. Also given the missteps that Nikon has had in the past introducing new lines, I really did want to take a chance on buying serial #1. 

[frame-it]

will check it out next week

[Bill W]

If I did no already have my SL I might be interested but I sold a lot of Nikon to get into the SL and will never go back. I am sure they have the same menu setup and I was not fond of it.

[Jeff S]

If I did no already have my SL I might be interested but I sold a lot of Nikon to get into the SL and will never go back. I am sure they have the same menu setup and I was not fond of it.

Well, it will already differ with touch screen access to most controls.

 

I can just imagine Leica user reaction if the SL had a smaller body with smaller lens options, high MP, tilt screen, IBIS, etc, still with weather sealing (including new lenses), fast AF tracking and quality EVF. Of course specs vs execution are different matters... and lenses are key. I’ll check it out before making any firm judgment.

 

Jeff

Edited August 23, 2018 by Jeff S

[jrp]

The things I noted:

 

* 24 Mpx seems to be a range baseline. (I can remember when that was considered eccentric and needed careful image taking and more laborious post-processing than what had gone before.)

 

* IBIS, no longer an exotic feature

 

* a new processor. Fujitsu seems to have the monopoly on creating these. Their power consumption imposes strong constraints on in-camera image processing / camera control. I can imagine that the next SL will also use this.

 

The impact of the new Nikons on the Leica system will also depend on the size and quality of the lenses.

[jplomley]

I'm somewhat surprised the 24-70 is not a fixed 2.8 aperture. My only concern with the Nikon system is will they be able to provide lens capabilities similar to Leica, or will Zeiss step up and provide lenses for this Z-mount. I sure hope this Nikon mirrorless lights a torch under the asses at Leica that have been responsible for the slow release of lenses. IMO, they lost a lot of momentum on the SL as a result. And even with the 16-35, 75 and 90 launched, they are still extremely difficult to get at my local dealer. Needless to say, I'm looking hard at the Nikon for all the reasons the SL has been a disappointment.

[mmradman]

I'm somewhat surprised the 24-70 is not a fixed 2.8 aperture. My only concern with the Nikon system is will they be able to provide lens capabilities similar to Leica, or will Zeiss step up and provide lenses for this Z-mount. I sure hope this Nikon mirrorless lights a torch under the asses at Leica that have been responsible for the slow release of lenses. IMO, they lost a lot of momentum on the SL as a result. And even with the 16-35, 75 and 90 launched, they are still extremely difficult to get at my local dealer. Needless to say, I'm looking hard at the Nikon for all the reasons the SL has been a disappointment.

Dedicated Z mount version with f2.8 is on the road map for 2020. To provide lightweight f4 kit lens at launch sounds sensible. 

 

Nikon already have two current 24-70mm f2.8 AF-S zooms, G and E versions in F mount, new lens adaptor allows both to work.

E version probably more compatible than G version though as adaptor provides no mechanical coupling for either aperture or focus control. 

[Wojtek]

Especially now we can see how ahead of its times SL was. Pushing mirrorless to the truly PRO level and countering A7 with

 

- (much!) better ergonomics

- (much!) better build quality

- weather sealing (true one)

- better menus

- better lenses

- that top screen!

- world class EVF

 

I think the way to make price irrelevant is to be the best in the world for SOME people. And SL was. You wanted incredibly well built FF mirrorless with great ergonomics? And for unknown reasons you didn’t want it to be a DSLR? You had no choice, it had to be the SL.

 

But now you have Nikon. Which countered Sony A line with the exact same punches (plus video). Great move Nikon, great move.

[helged]

As a Nikon DSLR user for ultra fast - and very reliable - AF with long lenses (wildlife/birds in flight), I am not convinced that Z6/Z7 is that interesting for me. But I may test the bodies with e.g. Nikkor 400 f2.8E.

[thighslapper]

I have no intention of switching ...... I was just rather amused to see that it was a rather pedestrian camera ...... with no outstanding features that raise it above the opposition, despite the R&D resources and cash that Nikon can call on. 

 

If an SL2 pinched the Z7 processor with its resolution, better AF and IBIS it would keep Leica well placed for the next 3+yrs as a very flexible system with outstanding lenses. 

 

A tilt screen would be nice ..... but not at the expense of too much extra bulk/weight.

 

If it is not already here ...... a time will soon come where image quality is no longer a consideration in choosing a camera ......

Edited August 23, 2018 by thighslapper

[ajayk]

Today I had a look at Z7 and only one word describes it - wow!! Z7 has top display like SL and a great EVF like SL. A beautiful screen and a superb menu. Results from few pictures I tool were brilliant. I am pre-ordering!!

[bags27]

You moved quickly, because I see that at Amazon, at least, they're no longer taking pre-orders for the Z7. I preferred and pre-ordered the Z6 the first moment I could. Not sure I'll actually take delivery, but it was worth getting toward the front of the line.

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[mmradman]

I have no intention of switching ...... I was just rather amused to see that it was a rather pedestrian camera ...... with no outstanding features that raise it above the opposition, despite the R&D resources and cash that Nikon can call on.

 

If an SL2 pinched the Z7 processor with its resolution, better AF and IBIS it would keep Leica well placed for the next 3+yrs as a very flexible system with outstanding lenses.

 

A tilt screen would be nice ..... but not at the expense of too much extra bulk/weight.

 

If it is not already here ...... a time will soon come where image quality is no longer a consideration in choosing a camera ......

Pedestrian camera, or shall we say pedestrian system?

 

Access to native tilt/shift

Access to native long telephoto plus tele convertors

Access to first class native flash system

No need to mention choice of 24 and 45mp sensors...and so on

 

All points mentioned above are usually complained by SL users.

 

One interesting point you make, soon image quality will become irrelevant, probably but high res sensor goes a long way towards that goal.

Edited August 23, 2018 by mmradman

[dsalamena]

I believe an SL2 with 36+MP, IBIS and good EVF would be an amazing LEICA platform, flexible and adaptable to multiple styles of photography:

 

1) with SL native lenses would be perfect for studio, art, landscape photography;

2) with TL lenses it could be a light camera great for travel and family shots  (with still a very usable 16-20 MP);

3) as a bonus you could use M lenses in a gorgeous full frame sensor plus IBIS and EVF

 

I would seriously think about a camera like that, as a companion to my M10.