UliWer Posted October 17, 2018 Share #81 Posted October 17, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 15 Stunden schrieb fenykepesz: could the small button to the right on the top plate be for focus-peeking in combination with an EVF ? I think, the button in front will have the functions for focus-peaking. If one reads the instruction notes for the last firmware 2.6.5.0 one might get an idea about the purpose of the button on top (though perhaps it‘s just for video...I have been suggesting an M without display but with video for ages...😉). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cantaloupe51 Posted October 17, 2018 Share #82 Posted October 17, 2018 Wow, imagine that a movement of the lever can charge an internal ‘battery’ enough for the shutter AND the sensor to just take one picture without even the main battery installed (or empty). This would make sense and be awesome... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poli Posted October 17, 2018 Share #83 Posted October 17, 2018 As an owner of the current M-D I am kind of hoping these pictures are fake. I would be interested in a slimmer M-D, larger viewfinder and quieter shutter. But now it seems that there are more buttons and features on the thing again. The simplicity of the current M-D for me personally is the biggest plus. Since day one of owning this M-D I have really enjoyed the lack of a screen (too many screens on too many devices these days). However, I do not have the urge to have a film-like experience on a digital camera. It's a digital camera, if you want film, buy a film camera. The lever seems like a retro-gimmick to me now. Maybe if the lever would eliminate the need for a battery, it would perhaps be interesting. But I really doubt this is the case. We'll see on the 23rd. 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted October 17, 2018 Share #84 Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) vor 7 Minuten schrieb paulhek: The lever seems like a retro-gimmick to me now. Maybe if the lever would eliminate the need for a battery, it would perhaps be interesting. But I really doubt this is the case. We'll see on the 23rd. I also assume its a piece of metal without any function, but lets wait and see until 23 October, Leica is always good for a surprise 🙂 The biggest surprise would be if it is a M10 Monochrom! John Edited October 17, 2018 by satijntje Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 17, 2018 Share #85 Posted October 17, 2018 My guess is that the 'advance' lever is the on/off s/c/timer switch of the ratchet type. The extra button on the top looks like the counter pointer on an M2. Could be anything. Having the lever charge the electrics for a single exposure seems highly infeasible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HELM Posted October 17, 2018 Share #86 Posted October 17, 2018 IF this lever does in fact cock the shutter and create some energy (to extend the battery life) and has a great Leica Fotos integration (Look up the histogram on my last shot) - I for one am willing to sell my M10 and buy this. I love the idea of not having to worry/protect my rear low resolution, energy sucking display that I peak at once in a while. Also means camera is lighter and more robust (Water/Dust resistant) The seldom used ISO dial is perfect for my needs and I do like the exposure comp on the back and easily visible. I also like the turn wifi on/off for Leica Fotos review without a menu search Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted October 17, 2018 Share #87 Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Perhaps Leica are putting their new skills (or those of their subcontractors) in the manufacture of mechanical watches towards the making of a manually-wound or automatic (i.e. partly or entirely battery-free) digital camera? The layman can dream. Edited October 17, 2018 by M9reno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr237 Posted October 17, 2018 Share #88 Posted October 17, 2018 On the current M-D -- I have had one for about a year and really enjoy it -- you use the button on the top plate in combination with the rear wheel to adjust exposure compensation. Since these pictures indicate that exposure compensation will be moved to a dedicated dial (unless that thing on the back has some other purpose), it will be interesting how they use the thumbwheel/top button combination. I agree with others about the oddity of the film advance lever. Seems a bit too cute for my taste, but I look forward to learning more if the announcement on 10/23 comes to pass. I have mixed views on the phone integration and external EVF option. On the one hand, seems like a handy feature that opens up the door for greater versatility and ability to change camera settings. On the other hand, the whole reason that I bought the M-D was to reduce screens and options, so I'm not sure this represents a step forward. If anything, it may have the potential to be more cumbersome ... using your camera to take a picture, then fiddling with your phone to review or change settings ... at that point you might as well get an M10. It looks like the finish is black chrome, which means that there is still no option for a black paint M based on the M10 platform. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjolnir Posted October 17, 2018 Share #89 Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) My M10-P came with the quick start guide for M10-D. The film advance lever is just referred to as “integrated thumb rest” button on on top is to get into settings(seems a bit inelegant, you have to hold it for 12s) you turn the camera on and off with the outer ring on the exposure comp dial theres a qr code under the bottom plate that you scan with the fotos app in order to connect to the camera (I don’t remember seeing that on the P) Edited October 17, 2018 by fjolnir Additional info 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted October 17, 2018 Share #90 Posted October 17, 2018 It just seems to me that if you put Live View in the M-D, you also have to assume that people will adapt lenses to it. And then you have to supply all the lens profiles, an interface for same, the adjustment controls for the Visoflex 020, etc etc. And then the absurd frippery of an advance lever where none is needed at all. And the notion of the M-D is completely lost in that. The joy and beauty of the M-D is that it has nothing beyond the barest minimum in features and controls to make photographs with. What this new proposed M10-D is a full-featured M10 without an LCD, and with all the other controls rejiggered in clumsy ways to make it work. I'm not selling my M-D for anything like that. And if I want a full featured digital M, I'll buy an M10, not this mess. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 17, 2018 Share #91 Posted October 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, fjolnir said: My M10-P came with the quick start guide for M10-D. The film advance lever is just referred to as “integrated thumb rest” The thumb rest appears on the M10 as well and has nothing to do with the added advance lever pictured on the rumored camera. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted October 17, 2018 Share #92 Posted October 17, 2018 53 minutes ago, fjolnir said: My M10-P came with the quick start guide for M10-D. The film advance lever is just referred to as “integrated thumb rest” A scan or photo of this paper would be great to see! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted October 17, 2018 Share #93 Posted October 17, 2018 vor 56 Minuten schrieb fjolnir: My M10-P came with the quick start guide for M10-D. The film advance lever is just referred to as “integrated thumb rest” button on on top is to get into settings(seems a bit inelegant, you have to hold it for 12s) you turn the camera on and off with the outer ring on the exposure comp dial theres a qr code under the bottom plate that you scan with the fotos app in order to connect to the camera (I don’t remember seeing that on the P) What you write about the „quick start guide“ seems very plausible. Though why did they change the position of the switch-on button from the top to the back? This only makes sense if you want to move the „transport lever“ all its way. Just for a thumb‘s rest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted October 17, 2018 Share #94 Posted October 17, 2018 vor 2 Stunden schrieb pico: ... Having the lever charge the electrics for a single exposure seems highly infeasible. If it was feasible Leica could solve a lot of energy producing problems worldwide with their levers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Media Works Posted October 17, 2018 Share #95 Posted October 17, 2018 3 hours ago, fjolnir said: My M10-P came with the quick start guide for M10-D. The film advance lever is just referred to as “integrated thumb rest” button on on top is to get into settings(seems a bit inelegant, you have to hold it for 12s) you turn the camera on and off with the outer ring on the exposure comp dial theres a qr code under the bottom plate that you scan with the fotos app in order to connect to the camera (I don’t remember seeing that on the P) I don't believe you. Post a photo of your M10-D quick start guide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Media Works Posted October 17, 2018 Share #96 Posted October 17, 2018 I for one really like the idea of the lever, as long as it does what the lever is supposed to do. Ready the shutter and advance the film. No film in this case, so just ready the shutter. This would save a tremendous amount of battery power and make the battery last for a long time. I can't imagine it would build power for the camera. Have you ever used on of those flashlights that you have the crank to build power. You have to manhandle them to build any sort of decent charge, they are loud and they just suck overall. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredericB Posted October 17, 2018 Share #97 Posted October 17, 2018 Focussing on 'das Wesentliche'. The M-D 262 is all about photography in its purest form. Apart from the 4 essential parameters for photography, (shutter speed, aperture, distance and ISO), the M-D 262 offers no further setting options. I also hope this M10-D pictures are fake. This looks really like focussing on 5 or more parameters and many unnecessary gadgets. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linford Posted October 17, 2018 Share #98 Posted October 17, 2018 I am very confused by what I am seeing and reading. Like some of you, I hope the images on Leica Rumors are a complete hoax. As I have stated before, I would find an M10-D irresistible. If the images are accurate, I'll save a lot of money because this would prove extremely resistible, I fear. Cheers--lt 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 17, 2018 Share #99 Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, GG Media Works said: I for one really like the idea of the lever, as long as it does what the lever is supposed to do. Ready the shutter and advance the film. No film in this case, so just ready the shutter. This would save a tremendous amount of battery power and make the battery last for a long time. I can't imagine it would build power for the camera. Have you ever used on of those flashlights that you have the crank to build power. You have to manhandle them to build any sort of decent charge, they are loud and they just suck overall. I'm not sure that manual shutter cocking will save much battery. Note how very long an M7 can run on its batteries. Regarding generation, see this thing? It uses no battery for the flash. It is a wind-up magneto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 17, 2018 Share #100 Posted October 17, 2018 Does an M-7 use the batteries to cock the shutter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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