Go Figure Posted December 26, 2017 Share #1 Posted December 26, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) For all those who might not be aware of the issue. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280229-new-vs-old-m9-sensor-lines-increase-after-leica-usa-repair/?do=findComment&comment=3425784'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 26, 2017 Posted December 26, 2017 Hi Go Figure, Take a look here New vs Old > M9 sensor lines increase after Leica USA repair. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jdlaing Posted December 26, 2017 Share #2 Posted December 26, 2017 Two different shutter speeds. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted December 26, 2017 Share #3 Posted December 26, 2017 not very nice for leica. I am taking very good care of my M9 to avoid a change 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted December 26, 2017 Share #4 Posted December 26, 2017 Fresh battery and same SD card ? The M9 supply regulation always seemed on the edge. Even Apple admitted to throttling phones with older batteries that could not hold output voltage at current peaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted December 26, 2017 Share #5 Posted December 26, 2017 I've been very pleased with the images from my M9 since the replacement, so I can't get excited about such findings. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dot-me-not Posted December 27, 2017 Share #6 Posted December 27, 2017 I want to buy an M9 but am terrified. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted December 27, 2017 Share #7 Posted December 27, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think, the only issue here is looking at images with wrong exposure. I hope, OP wouldn't mind if I'll add another one 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Figure Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted December 28, 2017 Fresh battery and same SD card ? The M9 supply regulation always seemed on the edge. Even Apple admitted to throttling phones with older batteries that could not hold output voltage at current peaks. In fact it was a brand new SD card bought the same day I picked up the camera from the Leica store. I have so many test shots by now that we can safely rule out battery status as well. I was just hoping that someone else would have checked her/his sensor and compared with the old sensor images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Figure Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share #9 Posted December 28, 2017 Two different shutter speeds. according to that logic there should be even less sensor lines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted December 28, 2017 Share #10 Posted December 28, 2017 according to that logic there should be even less sensor lines Let’s see the full size image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted December 28, 2017 Share #11 Posted December 28, 2017 In fact it was a brand new SD card bought the same day I picked up the camera from the Leica store. . New does not necessarily mean better or equivalent: I stick to older, slower, small capacity SD cards as the seemed to be less likely to produce.banding than the latest ultra fast cards. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 28, 2017 Share #12 Posted December 28, 2017 When you underexpose a CCD sensor you may get banding; that is normal.The amount of banding depends on the amount of underexposure. These shots are taken at different times, thus under different light so they tell us exactly nothing. The only difference between the old and the new type of sensor is the cover glass, so it is highly unlikely that there is any change in noise behaviour between the two. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Figure Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted December 28, 2017 When you underexpose a CCD sensor you may get banding; that is normal.The amount of banding depends on the amount of underexposure. These shots are taken at different times, thus under different light so they tell us exactly nothing. The only difference between the old and the new type of sensor is the cover glass, so it is highly unlikely that there is any change in noise behaviour between the two. so which one of the two would you think is MORE normal ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Figure Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share #14 Posted December 28, 2017 New does not necessarily mean better or equivalent: I stick to older, slower, small capacity SD cards as the seemed to be less likely to produce.banding than the latest ultra fast cards. shooting multiple Leica M8 since 2006 I went through all kinds of SD episodes (so yes when it matters and I do not want to deal with lost images I resort to 2GB SD cards ) which exact make do you use ? ( please attach image of card ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonasj Posted December 28, 2017 Share #15 Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) old sensor,i like it...M9/50/1.4asph f1.4 iso800 1/12s raw Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited December 28, 2017 by leonasj 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280229-new-vs-old-m9-sensor-lines-increase-after-leica-usa-repair/?do=findComment&comment=3427091'>More sharing options...
Go Figure Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share #16 Posted December 29, 2017 From personal experience I can say that it does no harm taking a few test shots before sending your camera in. Color Checker Auto Exposure Bracket 0.-1,-3 ISO160 Tungsten Light AWB I have seen my camera for a total of 3 days since having it sent to NJ through the Leica Store in June 2017 in fact the camera is still in NJ as we speak ... .... and I have a feeling that this is still not the end of it. Go Figure ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rus Posted January 6, 2018 Share #17 Posted January 6, 2018 I have not noticed any radical difference in underexposed areas between the two generations of sensors. I have been using the same SD card. My personal experience is that increased banding in M9 images has always been an issue with the SD card rather than the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rus Posted January 6, 2018 Share #18 Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) Further, here is an image shot with the M9's new-gen sensor. underexposed at ISO 640, and pushed to around an equivalent ISO of 12800. The banding is not nearly as obvious as what I've seen the old-gen sensor produced at a mere 2-stop push when paired with a 32GB 94mb/sec SD card or a 1st-gen Toshiba WIFI SD card. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 6, 2018 by Rus 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280229-new-vs-old-m9-sensor-lines-increase-after-leica-usa-repair/?do=findComment&comment=3433776'>More sharing options...
Graham (G4FUJ) Posted January 6, 2018 Share #19 Posted January 6, 2018 Off topic: Some rather large boots on that '73(ish) Beetle! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 12, 2018 Share #20 Posted January 12, 2018 I applied for personalized plates for my 1958 Bug. They said FEATURE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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