Ecaton Posted November 22, 2017 Share #21 Posted November 22, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, this is what I will do. Because of size advantage (depending on the lens mounted) and because of versatility. I expect the CL to be a good and compact aps-c system and M9 backup. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marac Posted November 22, 2017 Share #22 Posted November 22, 2017 My Q is a keeper, definitely. The camera under pressure in my line-up is my M9 or SL601. The size of the CL is very tempting, I am assuming it is basically a TL2 in a new jacket + evf, I wonder what the EVF quality is like compared to Q or SL? It certainly has my tastebuds tingling with Xmas looming..... hmmmmm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted November 22, 2017 Share #23 Posted November 22, 2017 No way but you can get the CL and 18mm kit lens for about £400 less than the Q so I suppose if you don't need FF, and f1.7 it could be a good alternative. The q is the only Leica camera I have left and I wouldn't be without it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted November 22, 2017 Share #24 Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) No way but you can get the CL and 18mm kit lens for about £400 less than the Q so I suppose if you don't need FF, and f1.7 it could be a good alternative. The q is the only Leica camera I have left and I wouldn't be without it A pity it is 28mm not a dedicated 35mm or 50mm camera others love the 28mm lens format Edited November 22, 2017 by imants 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokeh Posted November 23, 2017 Share #25 Posted November 23, 2017 The Q is a benchmark Camera for its design purpose and has no equal. The CL is different market place. Very clever Leica again. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted November 24, 2017 Share #26 Posted November 24, 2017 Giving up full frame great quality images that you can crop for a smaller sensor but ability to use all Leica lenses? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No, never, not in a million years. First, the Q has that great 1.7 ‘lux and the light it lets in and the bokeh it creates Second, the ability to give me a ff image which when cropped to eff 35 fov/fl gives me the same fov as the aps-c 35mm and a very usuable 50 fov 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmschuh Posted November 24, 2017 Share #27 Posted November 24, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Never ever! https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/279038-leica-cl-announced-mirrorless-aps-c-camera-with-evf/page-3?do=findComment&comment=3402206 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted November 24, 2017 Share #28 Posted November 24, 2017 Giving up full frame great quality images that you can crop for a smaller sensor but ability to use all Leica lenses? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Since the CL has a 1.5x crop factor, attach a 50mm Noctilux and you end up with the much lusted after 75mm Noctilux - or a reasonable facsimile thereof. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted November 24, 2017 Author Share #29 Posted November 24, 2017 Since the CL has a 1.5x crop factor, attach a 50mm Noctilux and you end up with the much lusted after 75mm Noctilux - or a reasonable facsimile thereof. This is kind of my thought. If I am always cropping my Q pics then isn't it better to have the longer lens on in the first place and not crop? Mathematically a 28 on the CL and cropping the Q to a 35 pic is about the same thing. Above that there are more mps on the CL because I am using a longer lens. I am of course assuming that the IQ of the CL sensor etc is on par with the Q which is great. Not one complaInt. And I have had the Q since it first came out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpreisch Posted November 25, 2017 Share #30 Posted November 25, 2017 I just pre-ordered a CL with the 18-56. Now I'm second guessing myself and thinking I should spend an extra $400 and get a Q. I have owned an M8 with a 28 summicron, an X vario, and Currently a Type 109. What are your thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 25, 2017 Share #31 Posted November 25, 2017 My thoughts are that you suffer from choice anxiety. Perhaps this will help: https://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice/up-next 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted November 25, 2017 Share #32 Posted November 25, 2017 I have always been an advocate of cropping in the viewfinder before pressing the shutter release, not afterwords in post processing. IMHO, cropping out large chunks of the image in post defeats the purpose of having a full frame sensor - particularly if you want to make exhibit quality prints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuelkwong Posted November 25, 2017 Share #33 Posted November 25, 2017 It provides further information for the decision in between CL & Q: https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/leica-cl-vs-leica-q-typ-116 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted November 25, 2017 Share #34 Posted November 25, 2017 The 35/1.4 wide open can show some more CA than the 50 APO. I also feel overall the 50 APO to produce a slightly more "transparent" look with slightly stronger contrast and saturation, and the 35/1.4 more a little more smooth look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 25, 2017 Share #35 Posted November 25, 2017 Please do not start multiple threads on the same subject. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 25, 2017 Share #36 Posted November 25, 2017 Since the CL has a 1.5x crop factor, attach a 50mm Noctilux and you end up with the much lusted after 75mm Noctilux - or a reasonable facsimile thereof. Not quite - the real 75/1.4 on full frame would have a more narrow DOF. And is that not the reason for the wish? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynoldsyoung Posted November 26, 2017 Share #37 Posted November 26, 2017 I have owned the Q since day 1....what a treat of a camera in every respect! No way will it leave me...unless for Q with a 50mm Lux. Certainly not for a CL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted November 26, 2017 Share #38 Posted November 26, 2017 Yeah I agree with others that nothing can replace the Q. The Q is already a classic. However, the CL is near perfect as a complimentary camera to the Q, Love that it shares the same battery. I'm interested in the 11-23 and maybe the 55-135. Too bad there's no native portrait lens though. I guess I could use my 50 lux-m but I'd prefer a native AF lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted November 26, 2017 Share #39 Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) Yeah I agree with others that nothing can replace the Q. The Q is already a classic. However, the CL is near perfect as a complimentary camera to the Q, Love that it shares the same battery. I'm interested in the 11-23 and maybe the 55-135. Too bad there's no native portrait lens though. I guess I could use my 50 lux-m but I'd prefer a native AF lens. The TL lenses, 35 1.4 and 60mm 2.8 macro, work quite nicely as a portrait lenses, giving one 50mm and 90mm. Edited November 26, 2017 by ropo54 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted November 26, 2017 Share #40 Posted November 26, 2017 I've read good things about the 35 1.4, but how is the ooc rendering or bokeh with the 60 macro? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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